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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen
Tithesmaster there is really nothing else left here to discuss. You said the Bible doesn't teach it, but it does. I have more scripture here to choke a mule! Now whether you want to believe is up to you. I can see you have your own angle, you are trying to prove. But whatever it is, has to be shown in light of what Jesus Himself showed in Revelations. Any other interpretation you are getting has to fit in with that model. Why I do believe all Holy Ghost believers are Kings and Priests. We can do that, we can all have the power to have our own ministry. Yet, no one's ministry is complete without being under submission. Going off independently and having no authority over you, is not how the Acts church was shown to be. Anyone who is going to be a leader has to be a good follower.
People not being under submission and doing their own thing is where you get people coming up with crazy ideas. That's where all this unchecked false doctrine comes from. Ever heard of Jim Jones, or David Koresh? Or you could be like the NAR where they have organization but no rule, but truly it's under subjection too. Under subjection and the rule of the devil, through a kundalini spirit.
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I agree that we have to be under submission. That submission has to be to the Holy Ghost. When we are under submission to the Holy Ghost, we will be under submission to one another.
You have not yet responded to my scriptures about Christ being the head of every man.
You have not responded to the scripture about if you want to be the greatest you have to be least.
Your scripture in Revelation means exactly what it says. Revelation is written to the seven churches. Later, in chapter two Jesus instructs John to write to the angels of the churches. If the angels are pastors, you have a situation where the church is going to receive a letter (as I have pointed out happens twice in chapter one), and then the pastors are going to receive a letter.
If the church receives a letter, don't you think the pastor would read that letter as part of the church? This book being addressed to the church is mentioned twice BEFORE John is instructed to write a letter to the angels of the churches. Once again, here are those references.
Bible, King James Version
Rev.1 Verses 3 to 5
[3] Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
[4]
John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace,
from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
[5]
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Here is where it says, not only who it is addressed TO, but also whom it is FROM.
Here, again is where it says to whom it is addressed.
Bible, King James Version
Rev.1 Verses 10 to 11
[10] I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
[11] Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
So, to believe what you're saying, I would have to believe that Jesus is first saying to send this to the churches, and then later, as if an afterthought, well, send it to the pastors too.
It doesn't make any sense. The angels in Revelation are angels, not pastors. The Good Shepherd is Jesus, not pastors.
It is really pretty clear. It is written in black and white (sometimes red if you have a red letter edition).
Don't be confused. Don't try to complicate it. It is not a trick question. The obvious answer is the correct one!
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