Actually her site (I haven't read it all, but I'm assuming that you're talking about Lois's site) did help me a few years back. I'm not ex upc, but came close to it.
We had a situation happen and told that we were going to conform or not be apart of our church anymore. I was able to vent and converse with others about it. Which in turn enabled me to go to my pastor with a clearer mind and present an articulate argument without emotional drama playing a part. We came to a middle ground and all (that I know of) in the church were happy with the decision.
Lois also has a private forum, which is what I was referring to in my post.
It's funny to see people post about their assumptions on how she runs her forum. LOL!
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I've gone and done it now! I'm on Facebook!!!
[QUOTE=Pastor Poster;153281]Here's the post Daniel is insulting me over.
...What the church needs is a revival of sacrifice. We are lazy, and fat, and drunk, on the pleasures of this world. You need to quit trying to push your agenda, railroading your pastor, and bartering with God.
How about a spirit of meekness and service instead? Would God that someone would FOR ONCE IN THEIR MISERABLE LIVES try their best to support their pastor and his family instead of bashing their heads up against the wall every time they do something you disagree with."
WOW! I was fine until I got to this part of your speech. Here is my response to the attitude in these two paragraphs...
I have been in the UPC movement for 3 generations and my wife for 4 generations. We love this truth and have instilled a love for it and the Holy God who sanctioned it. HOWEVER, over the last 20 years, we have watched ministry in the UPC ranks become rich and increased with goods to the extent that it is sinful! We see and know men and women in the ministry, pastors and the families, who think that they are not supposed to fellowship with the saints; pastors wives who will not even speak to the saints who pay for her $1 million home, clothes, expensive cars and trips, her children's education, etc; pastors who take in 100% of the tithes ($1.5 to $3 Million a year) and don't account for a penny of it; pastors who hunt, fish, and golf: pastors who travel and go to every conference around the continential U.S. and are never available for the sick and elderly in their churches.
YEA, we need sacrifice back in the church, but it needs to start with the leaders, not the saints. GOD himself became the sacrificial example for us all through sonship and death. SACRIFICE begins at the top.
Sell your motorhomes, sell your fishing camps, sell your million dollar+ homes and start fasting and praying and you will see a change in the saints of GOD!
...What the church needs is a revival of sacrifice. We are lazy, and fat, and drunk, on the pleasures of this world. You need to quit trying to push your agenda, railroading your pastor, and bartering with God.
How about a spirit of meekness and service instead? Would God that someone would FOR ONCE IN THEIR MISERABLE LIVES try their best to support their pastor and his family instead of bashing their heads up against the wall every time they do something you disagree with."
WOW! I was fine until I got to this part of your speech. Here is my response to the attitude in these two paragraphs...
I have been in the UPC movement for 3 generations and my wife for 4 generations. We love this truth and have instilled a love for it and the Holy God who sanctioned it. HOWEVER, over the last 20 years, we have watched ministry in the UPC ranks become rich and increased with goods to the extent that it is sinful! We see and know men and women in the ministry, pastors and the families, who think that they are not supposed to fellowship with the saints; pastors wives who will not even speak to the saints who pay for her $1 million home, clothes, expensive cars and trips, her children's education, etc; pastors who take in 100% of the tithes ($1.5 to $3 Million a year) and don't account for a penny of it; pastors who hunt, fish, and golf: pastors who travel and go to every conference around the continential U.S. and are never available for the sick and elderly in their churches.
YEA, we need sacrifice back in the church, but it needs to start with the leaders, not the saints. GOD himself became the sacrificial example for us all through sonship and death. SACRIFICE begins at the top.
Sell your motorhomes, sell your fishing camps, sell your million dollar+ homes and start fasting and praying and you will see a change in the saints of GOD!
Where these guys pastoring??????????????? Are there any churches open??
Just joking.
Where these guys pastoring??????????????? Are there any churches open??
Just joking.
We spend half a year in California and half a year in Mississippi. I have friends in this movement in a few other states. Most of them just live too high and do not sacrifice like their saints do. On the other hand, I do see some men and their families who pastor and struggle for years in home mission works. Our larger churches should do more for home missions families...but that is a whole new issue all to itself.
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