Bott '14 - Page 34

n david · #**331** 01-30-2014, 12:56 PM

BOTT 2014 DVDs ordered...will take a few weeks to get them.

CC1 · #**332** 01-30-2014, 01:19 PM

The bottom line is that JA's behavior is often indefensible and this is one of them. He is way too old and has been in the church way too long to be as crude as he is. He got away with it 30 years ago but it is now about 20 years past its "buy by" date.

Pressing-On · #**333** 01-30-2014, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1

The bottom line is that JA's behavior is often indefensible and this is one of them. He is way too old and has been in the church way too long to be as crude as he is. He got away with it 30 years ago but it is now about 20 years past its "buy by" date.

CC1, There are a lot of people here, including you, that have made fun of the UPC, made fun of the women (who termed "Blue Denim Whale"?), made fun of how the youth dressed at conferences posting photos, photos of hair-dos, etc. Is that behaviour indefensible?

n david · #**334** 01-30-2014, 01:27 PM

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Yes, if someone purposely says someone said something KNOWING they didn't actually say it, that's a lie. What does that have to do with anything? You don't know that JA did that. He may have heard wrong or THOUGHT he heard something or misunderstand the context and paraphrased it badly. Any number of possibilities are more believable than him deliberately lying in front of everyone. You're really reaching with this, IMO.

Thank you! At least you answered the question. PO won't even answer that simple question!

Jason B · #**335** 01-30-2014, 01:28 PM

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Due to the cell phone video clips of JA on the net, I imagine next year there will be an announcement made that any recording devices are prohibited during services.

Easier to keep things like this from being revealed. This way, only POA will have video which it can scrub of any offending or controversial statements.

Very likely

n david · #**336** 01-30-2014, 01:31 PM

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You want it to be semantics. Do I care what SG said? Sure, I'd like to hear it. I never said I didn't personally care what he said. Why would I say that?

Do I think it matters as to what JA responded to? No. Why do I think that? Because I don't think JA would change his feelings on what he heard.

Stop twisting things to suit your argument, David.

I'm not twisting anything. You're the one spinning like a top.

JA's referring to Maxwell...no, he's referring to the quote made flesh...scratch that, it was a typo...he's referring to Maxwell.

Round, round, spinnin round, she's spinnin round...

MissBrattified · #**337** 01-30-2014, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1

The bottom line is that JA's behavior is often indefensible and this is one of them. He is way too old and has been in the church way too long to be as crude as he is. He got away with it 30 years ago but it is now about 20 years past its "buy by" date.

I agree, his behavior isn't as funny or acceptable as it might have been in previous decades. However, the bottom line for me is that he apologized. Around here we require apologies for the word "idiot" (like at the Hoover house), and we also require that apologies be graciously accepted.

n david · #**338** 01-30-2014, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

CC1, There are a lot of people here, including you, that have made fun of the UPC, made fun of the women (who termed "Blue Denim Whale"?), made fun of how the youth dressed at conferences posting photos, photos of hair-dos, etc. Is that behaviour indefensible?

Cause, you know, that totally compares to calling a fellow minister an idiot who needs brain surgery during a message at a well known, crowded, church leaders conference.

n david · #**339** 01-30-2014, 01:38 PM

Since an apology has apparently been made, I think we should christen tomorrow, January 31st, "JA Appreciation Day." We can celebrate it by calling each other dirtbags, scumbags, jerks, fools, idiots who need brain surgery, and other affectionate terms of endearment.

Pressing-On · #**340** 01-30-2014, 01:39 PM

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4. It's POSSIBLE (but not plausible, considering JA's manner) that he was directing the idiot thing at John Maxwell, but that doesn't matter even if it's true. It sounded like he was calling SG an idiot, so therefore it was offensive, e.g., he needed to issue an apology or at least a clarification. Further, John Maxwell is a respected author, fellow Christian, and has been a guest at POA. If JA was directing it at Maxwell, it was still uncalled for and an apology needed to be issued.

I know it sounded like he did call SG an idiot, but I've listened to it several times. Let me write it out to discuss it and why I am not 100% certain he is calling SG an idiot. Being that he apologized, it really is a moot point, but I can't get away from how I feel when I hear it, and of course, I could be very wrong being the consensus is that he did insult SG.

"And I don't know which one of you guys said it, and I know that came from John Maxwell because I heard it. Whoever it is, don't get offended, but that junk I heard today about, 'Well, if you have a bunch of hell and chaos and crises in your church, after 3 years being there, it's your fault.' You're an idiot. I've got new dingbats coming in all the time. I'm not responsible for those wackos."

When I hear this, I hear louder than anything - JA establishes that what he is about to say is referencing who he knows said it in the first place. "I KNOW that came from JM". So, he is attributing the quote to someone other than the pastor.

He goes on to quote the quote that had been given that day, "Well, if you have a bunch of hell and chaos and crises in your church, after 3 years being there, it's your fault. You're an idiot."

Now, with him stating that he knows where the quote came from, asks whoever said it not to be offended, and then quoting the statement. Is he calling Maxwell the idiot or the minister the idiot for repeating it?

When I hear it, he is calling Maxwell the idiot. That's just my take.

And of course, being that an offense was taken, which he apologized for, I am not trying to gloss over him insulting either man in public. I just can't be 100% who he is talking to. So, in that, I agree with Sis. Alvear, who was also unclear.