Ministries for women porn addicts

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I keep hearing "pray pray pray" and "fast fast fast" but have NEVER had luck overcoming a bad habit by doing either. In fact with the issue being discussed I would think that doing both specifically to fight an "urge" would not help, but hurt since your not replacing the urge but trying to fight it head on. The best thing to do (and this goes for other things such as smoking) is to find something ELSE to do. "Whatever your hands find to do" as the saying goes. Build a boat in your basement like Jethro Gibbs. Work out -a lot! Find something to do that occupies your time! Idol hands truly is the devils work shop and simply closing your eyes, while your hands and forehead are sweating, and praying as the sole means of fighting an urge will do little to curb anything.

Going out to build a boat or taking a cold shower may take your mind off the habit momentarily, but does it give victory over it?

The praying and fasting are directed toward God. It's His Spirit in us that helps us to crucify the flesh. Paul stated that he "dies daily". What do you think he is dying to? Certainly he is still breathing while he says that he is dying daily.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Good post Chris. As I have followed this thread the question occurred to me, so would some tell an engaged couple that ANY thoughts of what the wedding night will be like before it arrives is "lust" and therefor "adultery"? Have there ever been an engaged couple (other then the marriage of young children in some countries) who have not had some pretty intense imaginations before hand? I do not believe it is possible and even if it was, I do not believe it is even necessary but rather to be savored and even enjoyed.

Shouldn't the enjoyment be contained until the wedding night?

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Shouldn't the enjoyment be contained until the wedding night?

The "enjoyment" is in the thinking about it.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I keep hearing "pray pray pray" and "fast fast fast" but have NEVER had luck overcoming a bad habit by doing either. In fact with the issue being discussed I would think that doing both specifically to fight an "urge" would not help, but hurt since your not replacing the urge but trying to fight it head on. The best thing to do (and this goes for other things such as smoking) is to find something ELSE to do. "Whatever your hands find to do" as the saying goes. Build a boat in your basement like Jethro Gibbs. Work out -a lot! Find something to do that occupies your time! Idol hands truly is the devils work shop and simply closing your eyes, while your hands and forehead are sweating, and praying as the sole means of fighting an urge will do little to curb anything.

I’ve heard this before and there’s something to it… but it isn’t a cure all. You see… after you’ve built the boat, worked out, jogged, etc… the individual typically finds themselves at the mercy of this unmet need. It’s so natural that if it isn’t taken care of the body will do it nocturnally. I like Paul’s advice, if one cannot contain, they should consider looking for a spouse. Because it’s better to marry than to burn with the passion of an unmet need. Of course in our 21st century culture most are expected to wait before marrying far longer than individuals were expected to wait in biblical times. This is primarily due to the amount of education needed in our society. But to one who can’t beat the “urge”… I’d tell them, “Clearly this indicates that you are meant to marry.” I’d advise them not to feel condemned and that they are normal healthy individuals and that God still loves them. I would advise that they stay away from pornographic materials and fornication. I’d advise that they not fall into the trap of truly desiring to have another outside of marriage, such would be lust. I would tell them to embrace their single status and rejoice in the blessings of being able to dedicate more time to the Lord. I would advise that they keep their private times private.

I’ve learned that when you lift the condemnation and get their focus off of this issue as though it is the Goliath that will destroy them… it subsides and they indeed do find other things to do. You disarm it and get it into the light, teaching them about themselves and God’s love. I’ve seen the opposite approach. Again, having attended an ultra conservative church I remember the youth leader addressing some of the boys and asking about their “problem” on occasion. We all knew their problem. To be honest, most of us had the same “problem” to varying degrees…we just weren’t caught and asked to be counseled. I was lucky to have a mom with a good head on her shoulders that taught me not to sweat the small stuff. While my peers were thinking they can’t live for God and that God doesn’t love them I was feeling rather confident and assured of my place in God. As I watched so many of my peers give up and leave church as soon as possible because of the guilt, shame, and condemnation that caused them to just quit… I stood there wondering what got them down the road of thinking that God didn’t love them and that they couldn’t live for God. This will typically be one of the greatest questions and struggles of any young man. If you mess this battle up… he’ll pay for it for most of his life.

I know I have a different take on it. But hey, maybe I’m called to be the opposing opinion for the reader’s reflection.

Originally Posted by MrsMcD

I agree and I also think that one of the biggest helps with this issue or any other issue is accountability.

Yes…accountability helps with addictions in this area.

[Aquila]

I know Dave has professed that he's never done this or fallen into what he calls "sin" in this area.

I'm curious... is there anyone else who'd like to state that they've always lived above this experience? Anyone willing to go on record before God and man and state that they will never do this again?

I'm curious. I've seen alot of moral chest beating in my time. But the truth is... all liars shall have their part in the lake of fire. I'm looking for some who are on the record honest about this and not self deluded about their "victory". I'd like to know your story and how you overcame. It might help a reader too.

God bless.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I know Dave has professed that he's never done this or fallen into what he calls "sin" in this area.

I'm curious... is there anyone else who'd like to state that they've always lived above this experience? Anyone willing to go on record before God and man and state that they will never do this again?

I'm curious. I've seen alot of moral chest beating in my time. But the truth is... all liars shall have their part in the lake of fire. I'm looking for some who are on the record honest about this and not self deluded about their "victory". I'd like to know your story and how you overcame. It might help a reader too.

God bless.

You aren't allowed to ask such questions.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

You aren't allowed to ask such questions.

See I knew this "internet" thing was nothing but hell spawn.......

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I keep hearing "pray pray pray" and "fast fast fast" but have NEVER had luck overcoming a bad habit by doing either. In fact with the issue being discussed I would think that doing both specifically to fight an "urge" would not help, but hurt since your not replacing the urge but trying to fight it head on. The best thing to do (and this goes for other things such as smoking) is to find something ELSE to do. "Whatever your hands find to do" as the saying goes. Build a boat in your basement like Jethro Gibbs. Work out -a lot! Find something to do that occupies your time! Idol hands truly is the devils work shop and simply closing your eyes, while your hands and forehead are sweating, and praying as the sole means of fighting an urge will do little to curb anything.

Gal 5:16

16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh
KJV

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I know Dave has professed that he's never done this or fallen into what he calls "sin" in this area.

I'm curious... is there anyone else who'd like to state that they've always lived above this experience? Anyone willing to go on record before God and man and state that they will never do this again?

I'm curious. I've seen alot of moral chest beating in my time. But the truth is... all liars shall have their part in the lake of fire. I'm looking for some who are on the record honest about this and not self deluded about their "victory". I'd like to know your story and how you overcame. It might help a reader too.

God bless.

You are too curious.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

You are too curious.

Next thing, he will be asking for our Social Security numbers! Don't give it to him!