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[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Bro. Michael Phelps,

I was asking IF OS (as an act that those in same sex relationships) participate
in and also AS (or sodomy). If they are the same acts that men in same
sex relationships participate in. Would they be of the same lustful spirit?
Would it be the acts or the fact that it was being performed with a woman
instead of a man justify it? Is it something that would be pleasing to a HOLY
GOD?

If a man takes the natural use of the woman, burning in their lust one
toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving
in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Paul said the older women should teach the younger women! And it tells the
older women WHAT to teach the younger. A lot of the church problems would
be solved if there was more fear of the LORD and the Word of God followed
as it instructs. Godly older women teaching younger women as mothers. And
godly older men instructing the younger as fathers.

I am not posting to offend. IF we are really concerned in pleasing GOD and
not ourselves, we will prayerfully consider HIS WORD and SEEK His Face.

Are we worshipping the creature more than the Creator?

Blessings,

Falla39

Sis Falla,

I appreciate your spirit - you NEVER offend! I hope I didn't offend you with my short question.

THe issue that has been raised here is whether these acts are considered "sodomy" (A word which does not appear in scripture, incidentally), not whether they are healthy and good things in which couples should engage.

I am of the distinct opinion that a married man and his wife (or vice versa, lol) can engage in these particular activites if both consent without committing sin.

It's become very clear that many on this forum have a strong aversion to these activities, and I respect that - however, just because I think it's a bad thing to do doesn't make it sin.

I've heard all the arguments, and if I seem a bit touchy on this subject, there is a reason - I was fired from a position as an associate minister in an Apostolic church because I wouldn't sign a piece of paper stating that I would not only refrain from these activities with my wife, but I would preach and teach against such as an abomination to the Lord.

Well, I refused to sign, and I was shown the door.

Either way, I'm not campaigning for couples to be forced to engage in such activities, but I also get very testy when people try to back their viewpoints such as this with misinterpreted scripture.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by George

Thank you for this post! Really, this thread needs to stop. It is a very intimate subject that is really nobody's business except the married man and his wife. They alone decide what happens in their bed. If the wife agrees to AS and the husband OS or vice versa, that is their perogative. It is none of my business if they do or don't. God doesn't care either. As long as that married couple is in agreement it is none of our business.

It sounds to me as if someone is trying to prove a point to shove in their spouse's face to get what they want and this is not the way to do it. If your spouse says, "No," respect their wishes. Intimate actions must be in agreement.

I'm quite sure the thread will stop when the conversation is exhausted.

Believe it or not, this is a pertinent subject - there are couples who live in mortal fear of violating some sacred creed, and its senseless.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Well, these types of stories hold no merit, in my opinion. I can relate a story that a friend told me that someone else told him, too, but it doesn't make it fact.

Is there any scriptural precedent for this happening?

Like I posted earlier, bible speaks in genereal terms, but do feel specific things fall under those terms.

Kinda like there's no specific scripture against shooting up heroin or smoking dope. The bible not going to say everything.

Bible teaches that if we we should discern good and evil. If everything is spelled out in chapter and verse, why need discernment?

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Like I posted earlier, bible speaks in genereal terms, but do feel specific things fall under those terms.

Kinda like there's no specific scripture against shooting up heroin or smoking dope. The bible not going to say everything.

Bible teaches that if we we should discern good and evil. If everything is spelled out in chapter and verse, why need discernment?

This is a cop out, in my opinion.

We claim to speak when the BIble speaks, and be silent when the Bible is silent, but really, that's not the case.

We excuse our traditions and preferences, even if there is no scripture to back them up, with this broad statement.

We say, "We speak in tongues, because that's how the apostles did it!"
And, "We baptize in JEsus' name because that's how the apostles did it!"

But, when I ask if there is scriptural precedent for people simulating sexual acts when demons are cast out, you say "The Bible only speaks in general terms"? Copout, no offense intended.

THe BIble is extremely specific about what is sin, and what is not sin.

And the fact that it's silent on these issues that we are discussing is the only point I"m trying to make.

We can't make sin what the Bible doesn't make sin.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

I've heard all the arguments, and if I seem a bit touchy on this subject, there is a reason - I was fired from a position as an associate minister in an Apostolic church because I wouldn't sign a piece of paper stating that I would not only refrain from these activities with my wife, but I would preach and teach against such as an abomination to the Lord.

Well, I refused to sign, and I was shown the door.

Wow. He must have been a proponent of only one way too.

As mentioned several times in this thread - the pastor should stay out of that business!

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

This is a cop out, in my opinion.

We claim to speak when the BIble speaks, and be silent when the Bible is silent, but really, that's not the case.

We excuse our traditions and preferences, even if there is no scripture to back them up, with this broad statement.

We say, "We speak in tongues, because that's how the apostles did it!"
And, "We baptize in JEsus' name because that's how the apostles did it!"

But, when I ask if there is scriptural precedent for people simulating sexual acts when demons are cast out, you say "The Bible only speaks in general terms"? Copout, no offense intended.

THe BIble is extremely specific about what is sin, and what is not sin.

And the fact that it's silent on these issues that we are discussing is the only point I"m trying to make.

We can't make sin what the Bible doesn't make sin.

Anwer this for me:

Is smoking a little dope sin?

Is going to casinos gambling sin?

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Anwer this for me:

Is smoking a little dope sin?

Is going to casinos gambling sin?

I'll ask you the question - can you show me scripture to back up the fact that these activities are sins?

You are making the assertion that they ARE, unless I miss my guess, so please provide scripture to back up your position.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

But, when I ask if there is scriptural precedent for people simulating sexual acts when demons are cast out, you say "The Bible only speaks in general terms"? Copout, no offense intended.

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I got it mixed up, I was refering to sex acts itself when I post about bible speaking in general terms not the demon manifestation.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

I'll ask you the question - can you show me scripture to back up the fact that these activities are sins?

You are making the assertion that they ARE, unless I miss my guess, so please provide scripture to back up your position.

I asked first Is doing heroin sin? yes or no

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I asked first Is doing heroin sin? yes or no

Lol, bad habit? Yes.

Sin? I can't say that, the Bible doesn't.

Now, your turn.

Heroin, sin? If so, please provide scripture.