Apostolic Litumus Test: Do you affirm - Yes or no? - Page 34

Baron1710 · #**331** 07-01-2008, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico

Neither is 1John 5:7, but what does that have to do with anything? Let's just start ripping whatever isn't convenient out of the Bible. That way, we can make it say whatever we want and everybody gets their own personalized version of God's Word. Whaddya say? Sounds like a plan to me!

I'm just givin ya a hard time Bro.

Actually the evidence for I John 5:7 predates the manuscripts that omit it by over a century.

Pressing-On · #**332** 07-01-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Rico, ignore them. The greek word for baptism means to submerge or inundate an object in fluid. In the bible that fluid was water. If it was just the hands being referred to the word might be translated dip, but one is still submerging their entire hand in the fluid.

We also have scriptures that clearly show the candidate for baptism went down INTO the water..

It's amazing how some people will try to make the word of God meaningless and incomprehensible. One might as well become a new ager if the Word of God has no absolute meaning behind it and is subject to personal feelings.

My goodness, of course.

Matthew 3:13Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

14But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

15And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

16And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway OUT OF THE WATER and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

Baron1710 · #**333** 07-01-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron

Repentance & Remission are separate things in the Bible & in our Christian walk.

As I have heard recently from some in thier camp that "truth is subjective!"

Reminds me of some people I have prayed with at an altar over the years--I had more success praying for a brick wall than I did them seeing truth!

Some things never change!

Thank God for truth & a revelation of it!

Praying for you all!

Why do you insist on this even though it has been clearly shown to be false?

SDG · #**334** 07-01-2008, 02:19 PM

Acts 2:38 uses aphesis as countless other verses-

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Example 1

KIV:

38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

NIV:
38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Reina Valera:
38 Pedro les dijo: Arrepentíos, y bautícese cada uno de vosotros en el nombre de Jesucristo para perdón de los pecados; y recibiréis el don del Espíritu Santo.

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Example 2:

Mark 1:4

4John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

NIV:
4And so John came, baptizing in the desert region and preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.

Reina Valera:
4 Bautizaba Juan en el desierto, y predicaba el bautismo de arrepentimiento para perdón de pecados.

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I could go on and on .... Rico .... it applies to all verses with this root word.

To say the repentance brings forgiveness and baptism brings remission only works in a KJV setting .... not in the original Greek ... other English versions ... NIV, NASB, ESV ... or in other languages that use the one word to mean the same as the Apostles expressed it.

Adding to the Word has curses attached to it.

Ron · #**335** 07-01-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

My goodness, of course.

Matthew 3:13Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

14But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

15And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

16And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway OUT OF THE WATER and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

PO, they have an agenda, & it ain't the preservation or propagation of truth.

Sowing discord among the brethren comes to mind!

Praxeas · #**336** 07-01-2008, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

More inaccuracies coming from the truth camp ....

The baptisms in the bible often speak of being immersed in water .... but also fire ... into Christ ... into His Spirit ...

Praxeas this is not for the sake of arguing but rather in proper and informed presentation of Holy Writ.

DA there were two baptisms. We are talking now about only one. Let's not obfuscate here. There is water baptism and Spirit baptism.

SDG · #**337** 07-01-2008, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

DA there were two baptisms. We are talking now about only one. Let's not obfuscate here. There is water baptism and Spirit baptism.

Make accurate statements Praxeas ... thank you.

Ron · #**338** 07-01-2008, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Acts 2:38 uses aphesis as countless other verses-

-----------------------------------------

Example 1

KIV:

38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

NIV:
38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Reina Valera:
38 Pedro les dijo: Arrepentíos, y bautícese cada uno de vosotros en el nombre de Jesucristo para perdón de los pecados; y recibiréis el don del Espíritu Santo.

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Example 2:

Mark 1:4

4John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

NIV:
4And so John came, baptizing in the desert region and preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.

Reina Valera:
4 Bautizaba Juan en el desierto, y predicaba el bautismo de arrepentimiento para perdón de pecados.

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I could go on and on .... Rico ....

To say the repentance brings forgiveness and baptism brings remission only works in a KJV setting .... not in the original Greek ... other English versions ... NIV, NASB, ESV ... or in other languages that use the one word to mean the same as the Apostles expressed it.

Adding to the Word has curses attached to it.

I know that full well--do you?

Those same versions are trinitarian in viewpoint as well!

Baron1710 · #**339** 07-01-2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron

PO, they have an agenda, & it ain't the preservation or propagation of truth.

Sowing discord among the brethren comes to mind!

Who has an agenda? You made a false statement were confronted with it, ignored it and stated the same false thing a second time. That sounds more like an agenda than actually looking at the text to see what it says.

Praxeas · #**340** 07-01-2008, 02:22 PM

The evidence surrounding the longer ending of Mark 16 verses no ending or a shorter ending only brings questions but no resolution. This may be why so many translations include this ending anyways..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_16