ok rico, blame america for it all, the vast majority of violence in that country is not sectarian it is the foreigners, the successes we are having now in quelling some of it are a result of the sunnis and shiites who are sick of the killing, cooperating with us to suppress the terrorists , local and foreign, dt
Foreigners who are there to attack us, DT, not the Iraqis. Foreigners who wouldn't be there if we weren't there. You are right that the Sunnis and Shiites are sick of their people being killed. What they are sick of is their people being killed because our presence there gave these nutjobs the excuse they needed to come into their country. We are fighting a war with Al-Queida, on Iraqi soil. Al-Queida is not in Iraq to take over Iraq. They are there to fight us. It's true that the Sunnis and Shiites have been killing each other for centuries. No doubt they will go back to doing that as soon as we are gone. It will be a problem for the Iraqi government to deal with it, as it should be.
ok rico, i dont want to argue with you, but i dont agree with your summation, the terrorist would be there at least some of them even if we left, the iranians are trying to undermine the new govt thru subterfuge, using the terrorists, some of them iraninan military as a proxy, god help us, dt
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ok rico, i dont want to argue with you, but i dont agree with your summation, the terrorist would be there at least some of them even if we left, the iranians are trying to undermine the new govt thru subterfuge, using the terrorists, some of them iraninan military as a proxy, god help us, dt
Didn't realize we were arguing, DT. One question for you. How many terrorist groups did we find there when we invaded Iraq?
let me ask you this, my friend, would you stick around if the us military was coming, i wouldnt, would you come back to cause trouble, yes, zarquawi, the head of alqueda in iraq, the one with one leg that we killed was there before we invaded, that is documented, not sure about the rest, dt
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let me ask you this, my friend, would you stick around if the us military was coming, i wouldnt, would you come back to cause trouble, yes, zarquawi, the head of alqueda in iraq, the one with one leg that we killed was there before we invaded, that is documented, not sure about the rest, dt
What was he doing to undermine the government of Iraq? You see what I am getting at? Our being there has empowered these people to come out of the woodwork. Al-Queida is stronger now than it was before we invaded Iraq. Our whole purpose for going there was to eliminate the threat of WMDs Saddam Hussein supposedly had. The intelligence was obviously flawed. We toppled his government, set up a new one, got caught in the middle of a civil war between Sunnis and Shiites, and, in this whole process, managed to find ourselves fighting Al-Queida more than we ever did prior to this invasion. Where does it end, DT? You tell me. At what point do we say enough is enough with meddling in Middle Eastern affairs? The whole pre-emptive strike approach has only served to weaken the United States, not make it stronger.
It's down to Obama vs McCain. It's all over except for the voting. Clinton dropped out of the race. Nothing wrong with stating the obvious. It's obvious Obama is going to win. McCain comes across as an old man on the verge of Alzheimers. He's no Reagan, that's for sure.
True, Mc Cain is no Regan, but then Obama is no Kennedy. It sickens me that Obama and his wife are being compared to John and Jackie Kennedy. For starters Jackie did not say horrible things about America, yet Michelle had the nerve to say for the first time in her life she was "proud." Obama can't even get his facts straight. How could he not know the his pastor of over 20 years had preached a horrific sermon. Obama said he wasn't present for that sermon, but come on how could he not know? I know that when I have missed a service and the preaching was awesome, I heard about it. Obama is nothing but a liar and he uses his charm to get away from it.
Obama can't even name all the 50 states in America. LOL!!! All I know that there is something about Obama that I do not trust. So many are blinded by his charm among other things. I'll admit I am not thrilled about Mc Cain but like a pastor said, "vote for the lesser evil." I DO NOT want Osama, oops Obama as president. For all we know Obama can be the Anti-Christ.
i dont know rico, i hope it will end soon, but i think we should finish our job, and get out, my brother who was there this time last year, and a marine from my ss class, think the same thing, god bless them, dt
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True, Mc Cain is no Regan, but then Obama is no Kennedy. It sickens me that Obama and his wife are being compared to John and Jackie Kennedy. For starters Jackie did not say horrible things about America, yet Michelle had the nerve to say for the first time in her life she was "proud." Obama can't even get his facts straight. How could he not know the his pastor of over 20 years had preached a horrific sermon. Obama said he wasn't present for that sermon, but come on how could he not know? I know that when I have missed a service and the preaching was awesome, I heard about it. Obama is nothing but a liar and he uses his charm to get away from it.
Obama can't even name all the 50 states in America. LOL!!! All I know that there is something about Obama that I do not trust. So many are blinded by his charm among other things. I'll admit I am not thrilled about Mc Cain but like a pastor said, "vote for the lesser evil." I DO NOT want Osama, oops Obama as president. For all we know Obama can be the Anti-Christ.
agreed,. dt
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True, Mc Cain is no Regan, but then Obama is no Kennedy. It sickens me that Obama and his wife are being compared to John and Jackie Kennedy. For starters Jackie did not say horrible things about America, yet Michelle had the nerve to say for the first time in her life she was "proud." Obama can't even get his facts straight. How could he not know the his pastor of over 20 years had preached a horrific sermon. Obama said he wasn't present for that sermon, but come on how could he not know? I know that when I have missed a service and the preaching was awesome, I heard about it. Obama is nothing but a liar and he uses his charm to get away from it.
Obama can't even name all the 50 states in America. LOL!!! All I know that there is something about Obama that I do not trust. So many are blinded by his charm among other things. I'll admit I am not thrilled about Mc Cain but like a pastor said, "vote for the lesser evil." I DO NOT want Osama, oops Obama as president. For all we know Obama can be the Anti-Christ.
You don't seriously think that any politician in Washington comes back to their home state every Sunday to listen to their pastor preach, do you? In fact, I would venture to say that Obama missed that sermon and a whole lot of others.
As for the comment his wife made, she already explained what she meant. She was talking about being proud of the fact that so many Americans were embracing her husband's candidacy even though he's black. This country's history with racism and slavery is definitely something to be embarassed over. I think she honestly didn't think her husband would have a shot at the Whitehouse
See how you have fallen into this ridiculous "Osama" way of thinking? It's foolishness, Brother, and has no place in this election. Even if Obama is the anti-Christ (another absurdity being circulated among Christians), there would be nothing you could do to stop him.
Ferd, they had an army prior to our invading their country. They already know how to run one.
From what I have read, one of the main reasons why these terrorist groups are in Iraq in the first place is because we are there. Our presence there has attracted them. From what I read, the Sunnis and the Shiites don't want to have anything to do with Al-Queida, because they are foreigners, mainly from Iran. You talk about the Iraqis turning on us. How long do you think it will be before they get sick of dealing with violence caused by our presence in their country?
the Iraqis dont want us out. yes they had an army that was aweful and most of the officer corps had to be dismissed because they were Baathists.
they had to be rebuilt from the ground up.
The fact is, in the last few months, we are beginning to see political cooperation between the various factions in Iraq.
and lets be clear about this, if we were not fighting these terrorists in Iraq, we would be dealing with them in the streets of America.
Please note, there has not been a single successfull attack on America since 9/11. there have been many attempts but due to our presence in the Middle East, we have foiled them all.
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