Tulsa Report Day 2

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Diamond Jim

Let me tell you the facts.The youth from the hard line churches may have "looked" holy,but they were FAR from it! Their girls were practically tripping over their dresses dragging on the ground. Why didn't that keep them from fornicating? The hard line churches had the most out of wedlock pregnancies and problems with fornication(and adultery!)and drinking then ANY of the other churches that were considered "less holy".

What about the boys? And I find it hard to believe that all of your post is FACT.

get em granny LOL

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Minister_WD

I will have to ask about this.....last I heard Price and Brown announced that they were leaving the UPC.Whether or not they were going with Tulsa remains the question

Must be a different Paul Price.

The one I know is out of Arkansas.

[Todd]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

What about the boys? And I find it hard to believe that all of your post is FACT.

I pray to God my wife does not see that one! That has always been her biggest beef with the church. Well said though.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

What about the boys? And I find it hard to believe that all of your post is FACT.

Well,if we are honest,the holiness dress code is judged by the women's attire. It's the way it is---have to deal with it ladies

[embonpoint]

Originally Posted by George

First hand knowledge - several very conservative young people in my relative's church friendship has been cut because they remain in a UPC church.

There was a post on ABN Global by a young man who was crying because his girlfriend broke up with him because he attended a UPC church.

A pastors daughter received a call from a Tulsa bound church youth asking her whose side she was on. The young person informed her if she chose the UPC they could not be friends.

Out of two or three witnesses.....

And if it would edify anyone I could give numerous examples of the shoe being on the other foot. Those who have been excluded from fellowship or otherwise denigrated because they did not have a particular brand or carry the right card.

Is it impossible to understand that after dealing with some issues like those described by Steadfast, or even of lesser magnitude, that a shepherd might decide that he has three choices

1. Let things continue as they are and deal with the issues and damage as they occur.
2. Address the real or perceived shortcomings of another church/fellowship from the pulpit or in private considering the ramifications of being a talebearer and damaging the confidence of people in the ministry.
3. Quit announcing and participating in those meetings he is not comfortable with and look for alternatives that he feels would be a safer environment to fellowship. For me I am comfortable with this choice.

My point being that some leave or lessen their participation in the interest of keeping a good spirit and not having to speak negatively about someone else. Will there be those who will take potshots? Yes, in my experience it will happen from both sides, having more to do with the character of the individual shooter than the particular group with which he aligns.

Each pastor has to make his own decision based on his area, experience, congregation and the actual issues being dealt with. There are at least theoretical pluses and minuses to each choice. It seems to me that most of the real contention arises when we begin to “pick at” and impute motives for these decisions. .

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by StMark

Well,if we are honest,the holiness dress code is judged by the women's attire. It's the way it is---have to deal with it ladies

Well duh! But governed mostly by men in the church. And if they don't think their holiness boys were doing unholy things with girls they are blind. Yes the ladies have to live with it, and that is the sad part the judging by the dress code, the boys had no such thing usually. Although I do give honor to my former pastor that taught against tight pants on boys as much as he did girls dresses. And that was back in the 50's and 60's. Do you think that always went over well with the boys?

[Dora]

Stand by for the Kool-aid...

[StMark]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

Well duh! But governed mostly by men in the church. And if they don't think their holiness boys were doing unholy things with girls they are blind. Yes the ladies have to live with it, and that is the sad part the judging by the dress code, the boys had no such thing usually. Although I do give honor to my former pastor that taught against tight pants on boys as much as he did girls dresses. And that was back in the 50's and 60's. Do you think that always went over well with the boys?

Sister, i was just stating the facts-you have to give me credit for telling the truth. holiness in Pentecost is "visual" for the most part.
Just know this,you may not think it's fair but men have a greater battle to deal with than a a few rules of modesty

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Dora

Stand by for the Kool-aid...

why do you say??? what made you come out with that?