Would you report an Illegal?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

It (English proficiency) should be the "initial evidence" of citizenship.

proficiency? If that be the case the I demand every citizen that can't speak the language be kicked out of the country...which will reduce our population by billions

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Remember back in the eighties when everyone said Japan was going to take over the U.S. through economic buyouts?

It's 2:30AM EST.....have you prepared your notes for tomorrah's preachin'?


or are you a seat of the pant kinda preacher.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

It's 2:30AM EST.....have you prepared your notes for tomorrah's preachin'?


or are you a seat of the pant kinda preacher.

Oh, I forgot....you use Google.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

No I never said Moors were white.

Didn't say you did .. but you did assert that many of the white hispanics got their color from Europe ... and those w/ color got it from the indigenous peoples ... some Spaniards have Moorish blood ... giving them a cinnamon flava.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

It's 2:30AM EST.....have you prepared your notes for tomorrah's preachin'?


or are you a seat of the pant kinda preacher.

Originally Posted by J-Roc

Oh, I forgot....you use Google.

I am not preaching tomorrow.

I called in a hired gun.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

It's 2:30AM EST.....have you prepared your notes for tomorrah's preachin'?


or are you a seat of the pant kinda preacher.

Originally Posted by J-Roc

Oh, I forgot....you use Google.

BTW, I already have six sermons prepared for future services.

If I don't prep early it ain't gonna happen.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Didn't say you did .. but you did assert that many of the white hispanics got their color from Europe ... and those w/ color got it from the indigenous peoples ... some Spaniards have Moorish blood ... giving them a cinnamon flava.

In south America most of the darker ones DID get it through the indigenous people.

I don't know how it was back then, but I have had hispanic friends, light skinned too, visit Spain and tell me that the Spanish are very prejudiced against the dark skinned hispanic people, no matter where they come from or how they got that way.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Darcie

Here's a question for you Coop.

Would you turn in a dear friend or a family member if they broke the law?

It's not so black and white when you think of it that way. You would try to help that person, cuz you love that person. Then try to make that person get their life right...

Think about it!

Darcie,

There are plenty of us that live by principles regardless of who it affects. I have told all three of my kids from the time they were very young that if they do something illegal I expect them to pay the full cost of any punishment that is applicable by the law.

I have told them I will love them, help them, visit them in jail, etc, etc but I will NOT try to get them off from paying the price of doing wrong.

That is what is wrong with America today. Parents think they are helping their children or other loved ones by covering up their illegal activity or doing everything they can to help guilty loved ones escape their due punishment.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by CC1

Darcie,

There are plenty of us that live by principles regardless of who it affects. I have told all three of my kids from the time they were very young that if they do something illegal I expect them to pay the full cost of any punishment that is applicable by the law.

I have told them I will love them, help them, visit them in jail, etc, etc but I will NOT try to get them off from paying the price of doing wrong.

That is what is wrong with America today. Parents think they are helping their children or other loved ones by covering up their illegal activity or doing everything they can to help guilty loved ones escape their due punishment.

CC1, while I would take the same position as you in this post, do you not agree that an undocumented or "illegal" immegrant is somewhat of a special case? Whether it is moral or even ethical is not only debated in churches, but also by the US government it'self - evidenced by their turning a blind eye in most cases.

[Praxeas]

Some interesting stuff on the Moors

descent. The name remains associated with the Muslims of Muslims. In During the medieval period, Moor became a common term to refer to the Muslims of Islamic Spain and North Africa, who were of Arab or BerberSpain even today, despite being archaic and inaccurate, as it lumps Muslim and non-Muslim Arabs, Berbers and other Africans together, sometimes even with IberianSpanish, the continued use of the cognate, moro, is considered by many to be racist; in English, the term has only historical contexts, with no proper present-day referent.

Dr. Shomarka Keita, a biological anthropologist from Howard University, has suggested that populations in Carthage circa 200 BC and northern Algeria 1500 BC were very diverse. As a group, they plotted closest to the populations of Northern Egypt and intermediate to Northern Europeans and tropical Africans. Keita stated “The data supported the comments from ancient authors observed by classicists: everything from “fair-skinned blonds to peoples who were dark skinned 'Ethiopian' or part Ethiopian in appearance.” Modern evidence showed a similar diversity among present North Africans, suggesting that migrations did not affect this area.[citation needed] Moreover, this “diversity” of phenotypes and peoples was probably due to in situ differentiation, not foreign influxes. Of course foreign influxes certainly had an impact: Phoenician, Greek, Roman Vandal and Arab migration had some impact from 900 BC to 730 AD. But they did not replace the indigenous Berber population.


Haplotype V is a trait found among more than 2/3 of the modern Berbers in North Africa and is indigenous to this area. This trait is also found in high frequencies in Andalusia (as much as 40%).[11] Moreover, about 7% of the population of Spain, including 14% of Andalusians, have been found to have this haplotype (69% of the Berbers in Morocco do-see Lucotte and Mercier on these genetic studies).



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors



I find too that Moors were not necessarily black, or not all black
Wiki and Britanica both state that white skinned and blond hair was common



http://secure.britannica.com/ebc/article-9053612

And the term was used to designate Muslims in Spain even after the Christian recapture of it. So I was just wondering how the white Spaniards looked at the Muslim and dark skinned Spaniards racially, even back then. Would they be a part of the Spanish army or the explorers in any capacity other than something close to a slave? Not sure.