"Today, A Sad Day For The Upci"

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

I see your point to an extent.

Blue may not have noticed that the thread was about a year old. But regardless, its obvious he found the contents rather disturbing... as any Christian should.

1. I don't think that anyone should have to pay to attend GC. Just my personal opinion, which I expressed last year on this thread.

2. I know of one well-known outreach-evangelist who has and does hand out money (or anything else) that he thinks will entice folks to come to church. It's a more common practice than you might think. In fact, I think I remember my Dad handing out $1 bills on Saturdays to get kids to ride the bus to church on Sundays!!!!!

Ya'll are making mountains out of molehills, first of all, and secondly, I think you really don't understand bishop1 or his style of posting. Plus, I agree with him that we shouldn't be charging money for folks to attend big meetings, unless they are closed events that aren't open to the public.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

1. I don't think that anyone should have to pay to attend GC. Just my personal opinion, which I expressed last year on this thread.

2. I know of one well-known outreach-evangelist who has and does hand out money (or anything else) that he thinks will entice folks to come to church. It's a more common practice than you might think. In fact, I think I remember my Dad handing out $1 bills on Saturdays to get kids to ride the bus to church on Sundays!!!!!

Ya'll are making mountains out of molehills, first of all, and secondly, I think you really don't understand bishop1 or his style of posting. Plus, I agree with him that we shouldn't be charging money for folks to attend big meetings, unless they are closed events that aren't open to the public.

I don't necessarily disagree w/you concerning fees at the GC, that isn't what got me riled. But to make allegations that our officials paid people to come and get baptized? I'm sorry, but I need some more proof other than Bishops character.

[Maple Leaf]

"Never speak harshly to an older man, but appeal to him respectfully as you would to your own father." (1 Timothy 5:1)

Holy Bible, New Living Translation ®, copyright © 1996, 2004 by Tyndale Charitable Trust. Used by permission of Tyndale House Publishers. All rights reserved.

Bishop1 is deserving, by right of his years of service to the Lord, of more respect than he has received here.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Maple Leaf

"Never speak harshly to an older man, but appeal to him respectfully as you would to your own father." (1 Timothy 5:1)

Holy Bible, New Living Translation ®, copyright © 1996, 2004 by Tyndale Charitable Trust. Used by permission of Tyndale House Publishers. All rights reserved.

Bishop1 is deserving, by right of his years of service to the Lord, of more respect than he has received here.

You mean the same respect he is showing? everything that is stated here is opened for scrutiny, you should know that.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Maple Leaf

"Never speak harshly to an older man, but appeal to him respectfully as you would to your own father." (1 Timothy 5:1)

Bishop1 is deserving, by right of his years of service to the Lord, of more respect than he has received here.

I cant believe some of you people.
Please. Are you kidding me?
And what level of respect is he showing to the UPCI officials he made the allegations about?

1... I dont see that anyone has spoken harshly or disrespectfully to Bishop here
2... That same scripture should be a applied by bishop in his allegations regarding UPC elders.
3...Since you want to throw scriptures around, why dont you consider that 1 tim 5:19 also applies here: "
Against an elder receive not an accusation, except at the mouth of two or three witnesses." ?

I respect the bishop, and we're grateful for his service to the Lord. Let that be clear.

However, nobody just skates by on their reputation here... or at least they shouldnt. If you make an allegation in an open forum like this, you should be able to back it up. I dont know why some of you seem to have an issue with that simple concept.

[KarenJo]

If you don't agree with GC having a registration fee then DON'T GO

General Conference is not church; it's an organizational wide meeting for the ministry of the UPCI first then the lay ministry after that. Since when did anybody go to general conference for church? That's not the purpose of the conference. Having a registration fee was decided AFTER Bro. Haney tried to get the board to implement having GC every other year to save cost. Again, GC is not a "CHURCH SERVICE" in the true sense.

Having been a member of the Haney's church there was never ONE DIME charged for anything at CLC. Not for Landmark or concerts. Bro. Haney doesn't believe in charging to get into the CHURCH Building.

The statement about the leadership having knowledge of or giving approval for anyone paying someone to get baptized, I don’t believe it. (Especially where Bro. Haney is concerned)

So whatever your beef is with the UPC, you need to get past your hurts. Every church and organization has its problems. No one is perfect and no organization is perfect.

[Bishop1]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

I don't necessarily disagree w/you concerning fees at the GC,
that isn't what got me riled. But to make allegations
that our officials paid people to come and get baptized?
I'm sorry, but I need some more proof other than Bishops character.

HELLO ?


I Have No Axe To Grind nor Bone To Chew
With The UPCI

My Dad Was With The MERGER and Remained so
until his Homegoing.
I have Brother-in-laws, Nephews, Cousins that
are UPCI Ministers and 5 Neices that are married
to UPCI Ministers.

I count David Walters, Mark Jordan, Scotty Teets,
Joe Carpenter, Carl Lagow, Paul Mooney. Frank Munsey
as well as Johnny Godair, Larry Booker, Robert Cavanes,
Steve Wilson, Carroll McGruder, Billy McCool, Don Johnson,
Joel Holmes, Steve Eppley. Bill Adams as Dear Friends also.

If you check with your former Pastor you will find
that in the 40+ years that he has known me
I NEVER MAKE A PUBLIC STATMENT
THAT I CAN NOT BACK UP ?

I stated that it was a sad day for the UPCI
that they would CHARGE TO HEAR THE GOSPEL
{charging to attend the conference servicies}

I also know for a fact that people
{more than one}
were paid to be baptized at the
sunday evening service -


Bishop1

[Bishop1]

H E L L O ?


RE-READ THIS ORIGINAL POST !

JUST WHERE DID I SAY

{ A }
"UPCI OFFICIALS WENT OUT ON THE STREETS"

{ B }
"UPCI OFFICIALS PAID VAGRANTS TO BE BAPTIZED" ?


Bishop1

Originally Posted by Bishop1

" TODAY,

A SAD DAY

FOR THE UPCI "

I knew that it was coming
but I never thought
that it would be so soon -


The UPCI Has Just Shot Itsself In The Foot !


CHARGING FOR THE GOSPEL !

Charging The $ 25.00 Entry Fee At 'GC'

Opens up the door to TAXES

City Taxes / State Taxes / Federal Taxes

And

Closes The Door

To The Going Out On The Streets
On The Last ervice Night
And
Paying The 'Street People'
To Come In And Get BAPTIZED
So They Can PUBLISH
The Large Number
Of Candinates Baptized In That Service !


Bishop1

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Bishop1

HELLO ?


I Have No Axe To Grind nor Bone To Chew
With The UPCI

My Dad Was With The MERGER and Remained so
until his Homegoing.
I have Brother-in-laws, Nephews, Cousins that
are UPCI Ministers and 5 Neices that are married
to UPCI Ministers.

I count David Walters, Mark Jordan, Scotty Teets,
Joe Carpenter, Carl Lagow, Paul Mooney. Frank Munsey
as well as Johnny Godair, Larry Booker, Robert Cavanes,
Steve Wilson, Carroll McGruder, Billy McCool, Don Johnson,
Joel Holmes, Steve Eppley. Bill Adams as Dear Friends also.

If you check with your former Pastor you will find
that in the 40+ years that he has known me
I NEVER MAKE A PUBLIC STATMENT
THAT I CAN NOT BACK UP ?

I stated that it was a sad day for the UPCI
that they would CHARGE TO HEAR THE GOSPEL
{charging to attend the conference servicies}

I also know for a fact that people
{more than one}
were paid to be baptized at the
sunday evening service -


Bishop1

You know, I remember when my former pastor invited Brother Haney to come and preach for him in Crawfordsville. That doesn't sound like he would believe that the UPCI is paying 'street people' to come and get baptized. My former pastor is in high regards to me (as is his wife, your niece). Your great nephew was my best man at my wedding, but I still don't know you well enough to take your word for the info you have given. I hope you well for all the souls you've reached, but I also hope the organization that I am affiliated with, blessing from God for the souls that they have reached as well as you.

[Sarah]

With thousands of people being at GC, I don't doubt for a minute that it's possible for someone to pay someone to be baptized. There's "kooks" in every organization.

But the question that begs to be asked here is: Did our officials know about this, or give their blessings for this to be done? I don't believe that for one minute.

As for the registration fee for getting into the conference, I've been to many different types of conferences, church and secular, and had to pay a registration fee. Just standard procedure, and they probably should have been doing it for years.