ok, I hate to re-rail this utterly derailed tread... but...
was JA on to something here? as every day passes, it seems to me there has been an actual effort by the left to end the Trump presidency by any means necessary.
revelation that Obama and team were wiretapping Trump during the election? allegations of Russian collusion designed to delegitimize and disrupt? riots by leftist organizations across the country? Obama's shadow government, current plans to organize and disrupt the American polity?
We are in unchartered territory folks. Im no fan of the prophet who appears more profit than anything else. I have been saddened by some of the things (not just this) I have heard about a man I once respected...
But while JA was off on Obama preventing Trump from becoming president, there sure is a lot of smoke here....
just say'n
Bingo. That's why I cautioned not to condemn the prophecy so quickly. I wasn't saying that it was true, nor was I saying that it was false. I was just saying, take the time to read between the lines of what the Spirit might be saying through this man.
How does a failed prophecy about "there will be no election" change into "he was on to something" because there is a concerted effort to disrupt the current administration? It didn't take much discernment to see that things would continue to deteriorate in the political spectrum. some of us have been saying that for over 20 years now...
In Scripture the scribes and Jewish authorities missed most of the prophecies relating to Jesus. They might say, "How could someone from Nazareth be the fulfillment of such prophecies? Can anything good come out of Nazareth?"
Prophecy is a strange and wild thing. Even in the Bible many prophets didn't know or understand exactly what they foresaw. Some speak like Messiah is just about to break forth.... yet Jesus doesn't appear on the scene for 700 years. Remember the "Mountain Peaks of Prophecy" understanding? I hear Hillary is gearing up for 2020. It will be Trump vs. Hillary, Part II. What if JA is seeing events of this election and the next one, as though they are a single election when in fact they are separated by four years???
I'd just hate to be so hard and condemnatory on the guy, knowing how mysterious a prophetic word can be.
Look, I don't know JA from Adam. I'm just saying, even if a Donkey prophesied something, I'd advice we not rush to judgment but wait and see until all players and circumstances are played out and are out of the picture and can look back and say, "Yep. Didn't happen."
For example, all the prophecies about President Obama taking away people's guns etc.
In Scripture the scribes and Jewish authorities missed most of the prophecies relating to Jesus. They might say, "How could someone from Nazareth be the fulfillment of such prophecies? Can anything good come out of Nazareth?"
Prophecy is a strange and wild thing. Even in the Bible many prophets didn't know or understand exactly what they foresaw. Some speak like Messiah is just about to break forth.... yet Jesus doesn't appear on the scene for 700 years. Remember the "Mountain Peaks of Prophecy" understanding? I hear Hillary is gearing up for 2020. It will be Trump vs. Hillary, Part II. What if JA is seeing events of this election and the next one, as though they are a single election when in fact they are separated by four years???
I'd just hate to be so hard and condemnatory on the guy, knowing how mysterious a prophetic word can be.
JA said there will be no election, that it would not take place.
Here's what God said:
Deu 18:20But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. Deu 18:21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? Deu 18:22When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
False prophets are under sentence of death, just like adulterers, sodomites, idolaters, murderers, kidnappers, etc.
The test is simple: If the thing prophesied does not come to pass, then the prophet is a false prophet.
Let's apply it to the current situation. JA said the election will not take place. However, the election did actually take place. Therefore, the thing prophesied did not follow, nor come to pass. And therefore, JA's prophecy is 'the thing which the LORD hath NOT spoken.'
It's real simple, God's system is designed so that a wayfaring man, though he were a fool, will not err in it. It's only the 'smart ones' who consistently err...
The only thing that needs to be determined is "Does JA's prediction qualify as a purported prophecy or word from God?" I haven't seen anyone demonstrate JA was just saying "You know, I just kind of feel like maybe there won't be an election this time around..."
In Scripture the scribes and Jewish authorities missed most of the prophecies relating to Jesus. They might say, "How could someone from Nazareth be the fulfillment of such prophecies? Can anything good come out of Nazareth?"
Prophecy is a strange and wild thing. Even in the Bible many prophets didn't know or understand exactly what they foresaw. Some speak like Messiah is just about to break forth.... yet Jesus doesn't appear on the scene for 700 years. Remember the "Mountain Peaks of Prophecy" understanding? I hear Hillary is gearing up for 2020. It will be Trump vs. Hillary, Part II. What if JA is seeing events of this election and the next one, as though they are a single election when in fact they are separated by four years???
I'd just hate to be so hard and condemnatory on the guy, knowing how mysterious a prophetic word can be.
So in 700 years, when liberals finally succeed in destroying the country, and there's no election ... someone in the future can look back to this thread and what JA claimed and say .... "WOW! He was RIGHT!"
Seems his 'prophetic word' was 'beware of Elymas'. And that the campaign between Trump and Hillary will be terrible, revealing all sorts of horrible, unthinkable scandals. He then said 'I feel the Spirit has been saying to me there won't even be an election in 2016, it will be annulled or cancelled, and men will rise up and introduce a whole new system for America. Part of the dismantling of America in these end times, because America doesn't have a big role in end time events.'
So, looks like his actual prophetic word is non-falsifable, and if the prediction about the election fails he can say 'well, that wasn't THE WORD I was given, that was just my suppositions, what I THOUGHT the Spirit was indicating.'
Did he actually say 'the Lord told me...'? If he said 'I feel the Spirit has been saying to me...' then it appears he left himself a way out. So, then, based upon my own quote of his words it looks like he did not prophesy, but said 'I feel the Spirit is saying'. Those two words, 'I feel', might be construed as a disclaimer. He said he felt the Spirit was saying, not that the spirit was in fact saying.
So then, it seems that while he may have escaped the condemnation that comes with being a false prophet, he certainly has demonstrated that he cannot tell what the Spirit is saying.
On the other hand, by claiming he 'feels' he seemed to indicate that he 'believed'. so then he may as well have said 'I believe the Spirit is saying thus and so', which would amount to claiming the Spirit had spoken and he believed it.
If nothing else, it does go to show that the guy's a mess in this area. It also goes to show that you better be VERY CAREFUL if you presume to speak on behalf of God.
ndavid, go back in this thread and read what ive said about JA and this business. Brother I am no believer. Ive stated my disappointment. I could say a whole lot more that I choose not to say on the subject.
but seriously there has been a constant attempt to prevent Trump from becoming president, then after that happened to derail his presidency.
now we hear about Obama et al wire tapping? data mining via FISA court order?
there are things afoot here... very strange things.
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Furthermore, if he said 'I feel the Spirit is saying... the election will be annulled', and the election does indeed turn out to get annulled, the resulting chaos in this country will be such that nobody is going to be thinking about Mr Arcovio...
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