Angels reproducing with humans possible?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

But not to Jude who was well aware of what transpired.

Jude 1:6

6And the angels which kept not their first estate(heaven), but left their own habitation(heaven), he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

What else could this mean? The people living THEN believed this happened.

"estate" and "habitation" mean heaven. Thats it...not morphing into humans!

es·tate
iˈstāt/Submit
noun
1.
an area or amount of land or property, in particular.



hab·i·ta·tion noun \ˌha-bə-ˈtā-shən\
: the act of living in a place

: a place where someone lives

[Praxeas]

NET bible

sn The idea is that certain angels acted improperly, going outside the bounds prescribed by God (their proper domain).

29 sn There is an interesting play on words used in this verse. Because the angels did not keep their proper place, Jesus has kept them chained up in another place. The same verb keep is used in Jud_1:1 to describe believers' status before God and Christ.

Estate is a bad translation. The Greek word is Arche (often translated beginnng..which detailed already before in this discussion)

If they left heaven as their home, where did they settle down at?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

NET bible

sn The idea is that certain angels acted improperly, going outside the bounds prescribed by God (their proper domain).

29 sn There is an interesting play on words used in this verse. Because the angels did not keep their proper place, Jesus has kept them chained up in another place. The same verb keep is used in Jud_1:1 to describe believers' status before God and Christ.

Estate is a bad translation. The Greek word is Arche (often translated beginnng..which detailed already before in this discussion)

It is only a bad translation to those that believe in angel/babies.(it is not uncommon for those that believe in a differing point of view, regarding what the Bible clearly says, to blame the translators to get their opposing point of view to fit.)






If they left heaven as their home, where did they settle down at?

Here(earth), as you can see today, first noticed in the Garden of Eden.(notice Eve was not tempted by a MAN(angel), but a serpent, possessed by Satan)

[Sean]

6And the angels which kept not their first estate(heaven), but left their own habitation(heaven), he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day


Now try this...look at the words "but left" and "habitation"(but left where they "first" abode)......that is clearly what the translators saw. Notice the word "BUT"....it blends the sentence subject together into a single subject of "habitation"


hab·i·ta·tion noun \ˌha-bə-ˈtā-shən\
: the act of living in a place

: a place where someone lives




Still dont see it???? You dont want to see it.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

NET bible

sn The idea is that certain angels acted improperly, going outside the bounds prescribed by God (their proper domain).

29 sn There is an interesting play on words used in this verse. Because the angels did not keep their proper place, Jesus has kept them chained up in another place. The same verb keep is used in Jud_1:1 to describe believers' status before God and Christ.

Estate is a bad translation. The Greek word is Arche (often translated beginnng..which detailed already before in this discussion)

If they left heaven as their home, where did they settle down at?

Where did Satan settle down? Luke 10:18

Wouldn't taking the view that angels were copulating with humans be the same as accepting the Serpent Seed doctrine?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Where did Satan settle down? Luke 10:18

Wouldn't taking the view that angels were copulating with humans be the same as accepting the Serpent Seed doctrine?

Same nature of interpretation.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

But not to Jude who was well aware of what transpired.

Jude 1:6

6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

What else could this mean? The people living THEN believed this happened.

Jude's words do not relate to the issue at all. What has leaving their habitation got to do with gaining ability to procreate with human females? He just spoke about leaving their habitation. Nothing there about gaining a never-before-held ability for procreation.

[thephnxman]

Using a Law of Creation: GEN 1:6-711-9-12
"And God said, 'Let there be a firmament, (HOLY SPIRIT) in the midst of the waters (PEOPLE) and let it divide the waters from the waters...and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament..."

GEN. 6 __ "...men began to multiply upon the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men..."

The sons of God are the descendants of Seth and the men who "...began to call upon the NAME of the Lord." The daughters of men are those born to the descendants of Cain.

Procreation: GEN. 1:9-12
Everything, including men and animals, will reproduce "...after their kind...". This is true in every species...although man, who was created in the likeness of God, has dared to inter breed some species that are akin.

Man is given to procreate because we are temporal, living in a temporal body.
MATT. 22:29 __ Jesus said, "You do err, not knowing the scriptures or the power of God...but are as the angels in heaven."

So angels cannot procreate; and this being so, the scriptures MUST refer to humans.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I'm with Brother Eastman.

I believe the angels had sex with the human females.

The Bible says the angels came into them, not trying to be gross, but it plainly states what happened in very clear terms.

The sons of God entered the women.

ahem

[Aquila]

If an angel can take a physical form and eat with Abraham...or wrestle with Jacob... I imagine their physical form could function as designed.

In Peter and Jude we read about the angels that sinned after the simultude of Sodom without explanation. This means the writer assumes the reader will know what these angels did. Since they only had Scripture, we have to assume that the story of this sin is in Scripture. Where in Scripture do we see anything close to a story explaining this other than Genesis 6?