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Old 10-17-2016, 08:21 AM
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Sorry, Elder...I am a member of that church, and can tell you absolutely that this is false information!!!

Nice try though...and btw, it's Auburn Hills...NOT Pontiac...
They were called the Pontiac crew that was the designation called they even called themselves the Pontiac boys. I am on a forum with several of them.
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Old 10-17-2016, 08:34 AM
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They were called the Pontiac crew that was the designation called they even called themselves the Pontiac boys. I am on a forum with several of them.
Maybe they just drive Pontiacs and were confused!
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Old 10-17-2016, 08:35 AM
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Sorry, Elder...I am a member of that church, and can tell you absolutely that this is false information!!!

Nice try though...and btw, it's Auburn Hills...NOT Pontiac...
Barb,

Did that church move at some point from Pontiac to Auburn Hills? If so was that when they built the big new church?

While we are on the subject how many people does that church run and how many does the sanctuary seat? I have seen pictures and it looks really nice.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.

"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.

"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."

Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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Old 10-17-2016, 10:21 AM
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Barb,

Did that church move at some point from Pontiac to Auburn Hills? If so was that when they built the big new church?

While we are on the subject how many people does that church run and how many does the sanctuary seat? I have seen pictures and it looks really nice.
Yes, we built a new church in Auburn Hills several years ago. As for seating, I think it's something hear 3,100...
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Old 10-17-2016, 10:33 AM
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They were called the Pontiac crew that was the designation called they even called themselves the Pontiac boys. I am on a forum with several of them.
Sir, I don't know, and respectfully frankly don't care what some folks called themselves. The church is in Auburn Hills. If they called themselves "the Pontiac crew/boys," they are obviously not from our church.

I went searching for that old thread yesterday, and found my post from April 2010 re the so-called "private" meeting in Auburn Hills...

" Though I have resolved to bow out of posting, and rarely lurk anymore, the discussion of the ‘Plano Meeting’, and the previous meeting have caused me to briefly return.

There was MUCH discussion last year regarding the meeting held in Auburn Hills. I will speak to that first, as this is my home church and Brother Steve Warman is my pastor…

Prior to changing our membership in late August of last year, my mother and I spoke with Bro. & Sis. Warman, specifically to answer our questions regarding the rumor mill. Along with what I had read here, we had heard The Apostolic Church of Auburn Hills as being “charismatic” and “liberal.”

So, being folks who believe in going to the source if we have a question, we went DIRECTLY to them. We spoke about 2 specific points…the meeting, and the teaching of this particular assembly.

I will not reveal the contents of our conversation, other than, do not believe every negative thing you have heard.

That is all I will say about it…

For those with questions regarding the meeting, or the upcoming meeting, I'm certain Brother W would welcome your call or visit in PERSON…receiving FIRST HAND information is always the better way to go, wouldn’t y’all agree?

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248-373-4500"

The information given to me was they opened the doors of our building, and we do that fo a lot of people...college graduations and many other venues.

So I am asking that you PLEASE leave The Apostolic Church of Auburn Hills out of your conversation of the UPCI and this thread. If you are taking the word of others without going to the SOURCE, that is hearsay.
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Old 10-17-2016, 10:39 AM
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Sir, I don't know, and respectfully frankly don't care what some folks called themselves. The church is in Auburn Hills. If they called themselves "the Pontiac crew/boys," they are obviously not from our church.

I went searching for that old thread yesterday, and found my post from April 2010 re the so-called "private" meeting in Auburn Hills...

" Though I have resolved to bow out of posting, and rarely lurk anymore, the discussion of the ‘Plano Meeting’, and the previous meeting have caused me to briefly return.

There was MUCH discussion last year regarding the meeting held in Auburn Hills. I will speak to that first, as this is my home church and Brother Steve Warman is my pastor…

Prior to changing our membership in late August of last year, my mother and I spoke with Bro. & Sis. Warman, specifically to answer our questions regarding the rumor mill. Along with what I had read here, we had heard The Apostolic Church of Auburn Hills as being “charismatic” and “liberal.”

So, being folks who believe in going to the source if we have a question, we went DIRECTLY to them. We spoke about 2 specific points…the meeting, and the teaching of this particular assembly.

I will not reveal the contents of our conversation, other than, do not believe every negative thing you have heard.

That is all I will say about it…

For those with questions regarding the meeting, or the upcoming meeting, I'm certain Brother W would welcome your call or visit in PERSON…receiving FIRST HAND information is always the better way to go, wouldn’t y’all agree?

Church phone:

248-373-4500"

The information given to me was they opened the doors of our building, and we do that fo a lot of people...college graduations and many other venues.

So I am asking that you PLEASE leave The Apostolic Church of Auburn Hills out of your conversation of the UPCI and this thread. If you are taking the word of others without going to the SOURCE, that is hearsay.
I am not trying to impugn your church or your pastor about 70 guys met there and the majority eventually left the UPC NONE of them preach standards and the majority do not believe the necessity of ACTS 2:38. I post with them every day.
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Old 10-17-2016, 10:47 AM
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I am not trying to impugn your church or your pastor about 70 guys met there and the majority eventually left the UPC NONE of them preach standards and the majority do not believe the necessity of ACTS 2:38. I post with them every day.
Sir, I don't care who you post with every day. When you make a post re my church, the implication is clear, I don't like it...and you wouldn't either.

If I am seeming to be disrespectful to you, I apologize, however, please reread my last post. I PERSONALLY spoke with my pastor re this...have you? If not, your conversations with folks you obviously have no respect for means nothing to me.
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Old 10-17-2016, 10:52 AM
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Sir, I don't care who you post with every day. When you make a post re my church, the implication is clear, I don't like it...and you wouldn't either.

If I am seeming to be disrespectful to you, I apologize, however, please reread my last post. I PERSONALLY spoke with my pastor re this...have you? If not, your conversations with folks you obviously have no respect for means nothing to me.
Again I am not going to impugn your pastor yes we have communicated via said forum. I will say no more about that.
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Again I am not going to impugn your pastor yes we have communicated via said forum. I will say no more about that.
Good...and when I see him on Wed. evening I will certainly share all of this with him.
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Old 10-17-2016, 11:02 AM
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Good...and when I see him on Wed. evening I will certainly share all of this with him.
He will know me. while you discuss this with him you let him know I did not personally impugn him. But it is what it is and I didn't create it. That is all.
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