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Old 06-13-2008, 12:49 PM
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Rico, those are some pretty wild ideas you have there! each party should have their turn? what about the green party? do they get 8 years? what about the Liberatarian party? do they get 8 years?

As for John McCain not caring about the troops... well thats just crazy. the context of McCains comments about it not being important when they come home is NOT that he wants them fighting a hot war for ever. It is the same context of our troops being in places like Korea, Japan and Germany.

it isnt important what date we close our bases of operations in those locations. in fact it is important that we keep those bases open!

the same with Iraq.
Yeah, I know it's kind of wild. I wouldn't consider the Green party to be a legitimate party, to be honest with you. I don't consider the Libertarians to be one either. We have established ourselves as being pretty much a two party country, the Democrats and the Republicans. If one of the other "parties" can gain enough seats in Congress and the Senate, then I could see giving them a shot at running the Whitehouse.

As for McCain's comments, I got the context in which he made them. He was basically saying the troops there would be much like those in Japan, Germany, and elsewhere in the world. They would be more of a deterrent than an occupying force. He hasn't brought forth a plan to make that transition into being a deterrent. Right now they qualify more as occupiers than a deterrent. In fact, they look more like the policeman of a Civil War than anything else, in my opinion. This stopped being about WMDs a long time ago.
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Old 06-13-2008, 12:51 PM
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So is it true about Obama not being born a US citizen or is that just one of those silly emails floating around?
I am sure this is something the Democratic Party, along with the Secret Service or whatever agency the government uses to check into the background of candidates, has already checked into.
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Old 06-13-2008, 12:59 PM
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Yeah, I know it's kind of wild. I wouldn't consider the Green party to be a legitimate party, to be honest with you. I don't consider the Libertarians to be one either. We have established ourselves as being pretty much a two party country, the Democrats and the Republicans. If one of the other "parties" can gain enough seats in Congress and the Senate, then I could see giving them a shot at running the Whitehouse.

As for McCain's comments, I got the context in which he made them. He was basically saying the troops there would be much like those in Japan, Germany, and elsewhere in the world. They would be more of a deterrent than an occupying force. He hasn't brought forth a plan to make that transition into being a deterrent. Right now they qualify more as occupiers than a deterrent. In fact, they look more like the policeman of a Civil War than anything else, in my opinion. This stopped being about WMDs a long time ago.
Review what is going on in Iraq now. we are training more and more Iraqi forces. they are beginning to launch their own operations.

clearly the policy that McCain has adovcated is working.

McCain is the right guy to get us out of Iraq at the right time, in the right way. Obama simply wants to act french and give up and leave. even if he wont be alllowed to do what he wants, do you really want a guy who thinks giving up is the right policy?

in my mind thats crazy.

I agree with getting rid of income tax. i like the idea of a national sales tax...but we would have to have an amendment to the constitution that eliminates an income tax that goes along with it or we would eventually get both an income tax and a sales tax!


You are also right about the HMOs in addition to being about profits, HMOs go too far in seperating the patient from the cost of medicine. this is the number one cause of out of control inflation in healthcare. guess who came up with the idea of the HMO? RED Ted Kennedy in the early 1970's. (dems are bad)

said the right wing nut.....
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Old 06-13-2008, 01:02 PM
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So is it true about Obama not being born a US citizen or is that just one of those silly emails floating around?
Renda, Obama is as American as you and I.

It is true his father was not an American citizen. However, his 18 year old mother was a natural born American. Obama was born in an American Territory and lived with his mother all of his life. Never at any time did he live with his father outside of the USA.

these things going around about him being a muslim and not being a natural born citizen are twists on reality and distract from the real issues.

Obama is wrong for America but he is an American.
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Review what is going on in Iraq now. we are training more and more Iraqi forces. they are beginning to launch their own operations.

clearly the policy that McCain has adovcated is working.

McCain is the right guy to get us out of Iraq at the right time, in the right way. Obama simply wants to act french and give up and leave. even if he wont be alllowed to do what he wants, do you really want a guy who thinks giving up is the right policy?

in my mind thats crazy.

I agree with getting rid of income tax. i like the idea of a national sales tax...but we would have to have an amendment to the constitution that eliminates an income tax that goes along with it or we would eventually get both an income tax and a sales tax!


You are also right about the HMOs in addition to being about profits, HMOs go too far in seperating the patient from the cost of medicine. this is the number one cause of out of control inflation in healthcare. guess who came up with the idea of the HMO? RED Ted Kennedy in the early 1970's. (dems are bad)

said the right wing nut.....
Ferd, we've been training them for what, almost 6 years now? It's time for them to grab the bull by the horns and stand or fall on their own. As long as we are willing to be their crutch, their crutch is what we will be.
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echoing the right wing nut, so true, dems bad, lol
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Ferd, we've been training them for what, almost 6 years now? It's time for them to grab the bull by the horns and stand or fall on their own. As long as we are willing to be their crutch, their crutch is what we will be.
there you go, eventually the crutch is gone, stand up and fight for yourselves
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Old 06-13-2008, 01:07 PM
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Ferd, we've been training them for what, almost 6 years now? It's time for them to grab the bull by the horns and stand or fall on their own. As long as we are willing to be their crutch, their crutch is what we will be.
Rico, training isnt just a matter of a few classes in how to shoot a gun.

that army has to grow and mature. leaders need to be found and trained at every level. that only happens with experience.

its true, we have been working for 6 years. it is only now beginning to pay off. but we ARE NOW seeing success. violence is way down . former terrorist strong holds are becoming peaceful. if we short circut the process, Iraq will be a killing field and hundreds of thousands will die, and those we are building trust with will turn on us even more than before.

finishing this job, building a stable democratic Iraq is a long term benifit to America. Not doing so is both a short term and long term hazzard to America.
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Old 06-13-2008, 01:14 PM
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Rico, training isnt just a matter of a few classes in how to shoot a gun.

that army has to grow and mature. leaders need to be found and trained at every level. that only happens with experience.

its true, we have been working for 6 years. it is only now beginning to pay off. but we ARE NOW seeing success. violence is way down . former terrorist strong holds are becoming peaceful. if we short circut the process, Iraq will be a killing field and hundreds of thousands will die, and those we are building trust with will turn on us even more than before.

finishing this job, building a stable democratic Iraq is a long term benifit to America. Not doing so is both a short term and long term hazzard to America.
Ferd, they had an army prior to our invading their country. They already know how to run one.

From what I have read, one of the main reasons why these terrorist groups are in Iraq in the first place is because we are there. Our presence there has attracted them. From what I read, the Sunnis and the Shiites don't want to have anything to do with Al-Queida, because they are foreigners, mainly from Iran. You talk about the Iraqis turning on us. How long do you think it will be before they get sick of dealing with violence caused by our presence in their country?
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ok rico, blame america for it all, the vast majority of violence in that country is not sectarian it is the foreigners, the successes we are having now in quelling some of it are a result of the sunnis and shiites who are sick of the killing, cooperating with us to suppress the terrorists , local and foreign, dt
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