A Word About Drinking, Drunks, and Those Who Rejoice in Their Sin - Page 32

Nahum · #**311** 10-29-2007, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AmazingGrace

PP....

I have said this and I will say it again. What I said on the other thread was wrong.. I cant fix that now no,,, but I can say and have been wanting to all day but other stupidity has kept me preoccupied... I do not in any way advocate drinking! I was saved from that mess! I have seen both sides of it.. In the worst of ways. I remember that night drinking myself into a mess and the fear it put in me to never do it again...

I was also on the receiving end of this same action too many times! I know its not cool in any way. I watched my son who is now 15 be thrown across a living room by his father who was so drunk he didnt know his own name and my son slam into a wall... at 11 mos old! I remember taking him to the er with a fractured skull and wondering if he would live! The last time I was with someone that intoxicated I found myself later laying in the floor of a nursing home I was working in with a call light wrapped around my neck. Nearly strangled to death because of a drunk ex!

Yes I know these actions are wrong and I do want to publicly apologize to anyone I have offended even you pp.. And I do mean that with all of my heart.

Then there was the car wreck my husband and I witnessed.. a drunk driver hit a car at the light we were stopped at. I could go into detail but I will spare all the sick details. It ended up with careflight flying out with a mother who delivered her stillborn baby (7 3/4 mos preg) on the stretcher on the way to the helicopter and my mother in law having to preform cpr on the 19 mo old who was in the back seat and the dad who was so bloody he was unrecognizable. All this while the drunk driver awoke to see the accident he had caused without a single scratch on his own body! Yes Its sick and I do believe that these people should be prosecuted to the full extent!

However I will tell you this much! I WILL NOT BE THE ONE who will do these things but I will be the one who prays to God that whoever does is put behind bars for the rest of their lives!

Hope that gives a little insight into AG ... and for whoever is lurking who may want to add to this.. yea I have a past but its exactly that! MY PAST!

And I am sorry for being so...ahem...vocally demonstrative.

AG, I have watched alcohol destroy so many people I love. It almost destroyed me personally. Alcohol is the biggest problem in the town I pastor in. I deal with kids who are abandoned while their parents pursue more and more alcohol.

I liken it to a friendly snake.

Fun to play with, but always deadly.

BTW, whoever sent that nasty email is a jerk, and I am sorry it happened to you.

BrotherEastman · #**312** 10-29-2007, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

The scripture didn't say he turned the water to juice. I think Miss Bratt has made it pretty clear what the scripture means - - it was WINE....with alcohol!

Okay sis, I did a careful study John 2:9-10 (hence the reason for taking my time getting back to you)
9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made WINE, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good WINE; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good WINE until now.
I had learned this years ago, but I needed to brush up on what I've learned. The word WINE from this passage does not indicate an alcoholic drink as most people would assume. The word WINE from these verses is derived from the Greek word "Oinos" which means fruit of the vine and not necessarily an alcoholic drink. I really do not think that Jesus would 'produce' something that people would cause others to get drunk, seeing how it is a sin to be drunk. Also understand that this passage does not imply anything that involves fermentation, as I have said "Oinos" simply means friut of the vine.

BrotherEastman · #**313** 10-29-2007, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Well...you explain away the contradiction by saying that the wine wasn't alcoholic, right? (Or possibly not....) I can't definitively agree with that, so a contradiction is apparent, even to me.

I understand sis, but I do not believe that it was actually wine that had alcohol in it.

BrotherEastman · #**314** 10-29-2007, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

Like many Biblical contradictions, there is more than one way to get around it. I guess your favorite is to claim that the wine Jesus made was non-alcoholic?
Here's another one: the Bible forbids habitual drunkenness, but not the occasional indulgence for celebrations such as weddings. There is a night-and-day difference between the angry, mean drunk who abuses his family and the loud, silly partier who's just having a good time with other wedding guests. (And not driving!)

Hey, it's just a theory!

That is my claim based upon my studies and teaching Timmy.

freeatlast · #**315** 10-29-2007, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Okay sis, I did a careful study John 2:9-10 (hence the reason for taking my time getting back to you)
9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made WINE, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good WINE; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good WINE until now.
I had learned this years ago, but I needed to brush up on what I've learned. The word WINE from this passage does not indicate an alcoholic drink as most people would assume. The word WINE from these verses is derived from the Greek word "Oinos" which means fruit of the vine and not necessarily an alcoholic drink. I really do not think that Jesus would 'produce' something that people would cause others to get drunk, seeing how it is a sin to be drunk. Also understand that this passage does not imply anything that involves fermentation, as I have said "Oinos" simply means friut of the vine.

Br. what do you spose "well drunk" meant and what made the "good wine" good?

BrotherEastman · #**316** 10-29-2007, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by keith4him

It was alcohol, even the scripture says that the Gov. of the feast commented that at most parties/celebrations the best wine is served first, because the time the bad stuff is brought out, people are to drunk to tell.

So I do believe that Jesus turned water into actual wine.

DA Carson, stated about this story,Jesus turned water into wine and men have been trying to turn it into water ever since

I believe he turned it into wine as well, just don't know if I honestly agree with you that it was with alcohol.

BrotherEastman · #**317** 10-29-2007, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

Br. what do you spose "well drunk" meant and what made the "good wine" good?

That they were full of fluid? What do you suppose it means to be "well fed"?

freeatlast · #**318** 10-29-2007, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

That they were full of fluid? What do you suppose it means to be "well fed"?

BrotherEastman · #**319** 10-29-2007, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

Yeah, this explains away my post. NOT!

stmatthew · #**320** 10-29-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

Br. what do you spose "well drunk" meant and what made the "good wine" good?

This does not imply that they are good and drunk, but that they have had plenty. Meaning that most would serve all the good first, and then that that didn't taste as good. But the wine Jesus made was of the best taste.