7th Day Sabbath not for New Testament believers

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Not hardly, but it is clear that you are getting more confused by the moment.

Acts 25:
7 And when he was come, the Jews which came down from Jerusalem stood round about, and laid many and grievous complaints against Paul, which they could not prove. 8 While he answered for himself, Neither against the law of the Jews, neither against the temple, nor yet against Cæsar, have I offended any thing at all.

This is further evidence of your confusion. I asked for you to show where Paul defended himself in chapter 21 of Acts. You answered from Acts 25 which is a separate incident with different people. I asked you to show your work. You wander into another place in the Bible.

Now show me in CHAPTER 21 where Paul defended himself with James and the elders. NOT chapter 25. Got it?


Show your work.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Not hardly, but it is clear that you are getting more confused by the moment.

Acts 25:
7 And when he was come, the Jews which came down from Jerusalem stood round about, and laid many and grievous complaints against Paul, which they could not prove. 8 While he answered for himself, Neither against the law of the Jews, neither against the temple, nor yet against Cæsar, have I offended any thing at all.

Originally Posted by Esaias

Acts 28:
17 And it came to pass, that after three days Paul called the chief of the Jews together: and when they were come together, he said unto them, Men and brethren, though I have committed nothing against the people, or customs of our fathers, yet was I delivered prisoner from Jerusalem into the hands of the Romans.

Sadly, you believe the false witness of the Jews instead of Paul's own testimony. THAT is what's sooooo wrong.

And here I quote chapter 21 and you wander off to chapter 28. I’m not talking about what the nonchristian Jews said. I’m talking about what Paul’s fellow believers and apostles said about him.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

In reference to the bolded. He didn’t always deny the charges.
It was not only the Pharisees that accused him. It was the apostles as well. Allow me to show my work.

[17] And when we were come to Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly.
[18] And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present.
[19] And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry.
[20] And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:
[21] And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

This is describing Paul being received of the brethren of the church at Jerusalem. Verse 21 is the accusation that Esaias seems to think is made by Pharisees. But if you look at verse 18 you see that it was James that Paul went in to see. James and all the elders, OF THE CHURCH AT JERUSALEM.

I didn’t know James was a Pharisee. I knew that Paul had been one but not James.

Another issue that Esaias is missing is , well

Esaias,

Please show where Paul denied the accusation of James and the elders. According to your words Paul ALWAYS denied teaching the Jews to forsake the law. Show your work.

Bump for Esaias

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

And here I quote chapter 21 and you wander off to chapter 28. I’m not talking about what the nonchristian Jews said. I’m talking about what Paul’s fellow believers and apostles said about him.

Oh. So the unbelieving Jews and the Pharisee sect who converted to Christianity both accuse Paul of the same thing. Paul's answer was he did nothing contrary to the law of the Jews, or the customs of the Jews, and somehow it makes a difference whether his accusers were unbelieving Jews or Pharisees converted to Christianity?

The person you need, is Nanny McFee.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Bump for Esaias

Try wearing a hardhat, might keep the lumps down.

[Tithesmeister]

Esaias,

Read the scripture below from the fifteenth chapter of Acts. There are three instances of dietary law that seemed good to the elders of the church at Jerusalem for the Gentiles to follow.

28] For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
[29] That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Esaias, you want to add to the burden. You seem to think you have a better idea than the apostles and the Holy Ghost. You want to add pork, shrimp, oysters etc. etc..

Where is all that on this list?

Where is sabbath keeping on this list?

Please show your work.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Oh. So the unbelieving Jews and the Pharisee sect who converted to Christianity both accuse Paul of the same thing. Paul's answer was he did nothing contrary to the law of the Jews, or the customs of the Jews, and somehow it makes a difference whether his accusers were unbelieving Jews or Pharisees converted to Christianity?

The person you need, is Nanny McFee.

It makes a difference. The unbelieving Jews were trying to kill Paul. His brethren and fellow apostles loved him and were happy that he was having revival amongst the Gentiles. See the difference?

Of course it matters!

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Custom:

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Original: ἔθος

Transliteration: ethos

Phonetic: eth'-os

Thayer Definition:

custom
usage prescribed by law, institute, prescription, rite

So, why don’t we call them the ten customs then?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Esaias,

Read the scripture below from the fifteenth chapter of Acts. There are three instances of dietary law that seemed good to the elders of the church at Jerusalem for the Gentiles to follow.

28] For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
[29] That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Esaias, you want to add to the burden. You seem to think you have a better idea than the apostles and the Holy Ghost. You want to add pork, shrimp, oysters etc. etc..

Where is all that on this list?

Where is sabbath keeping on this list?

Please show your work.

Where is honour your mother and father on this list?

Where is thou shalt not steal on this list?

Show your work.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

It makes a difference. The unbelieving Jews were trying to kill Paul. His brethren and fellow apostles loved him and were happy that he was having revival amongst the Gentiles. See the difference?

Of course it matters!

Explain the difference between the two groups' accusations.