The catching away

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by easter

Ok Bro.Blume you go ahead and believe that Nero was the lawlessness one.Why,because he claimed he was a God.
David Koresh believed he was Jesus and just like with Nero he was a nut.

Everyone knows that John 14;28-29 is talking about the cross.
John 14:30 is talking about the coming prince which is Satan and yes the coming prince is the same coming prince in Daniel 9:26 which is Satan.
Remember Blume we should let the Bible interpret itself.
YOU CAN NOT prove that the Lawlessness one spoken of in 2 Thessalonians 2 IS NOT the Beast spoken of in Revelation 13.You want proof that it's one in the same and I want proof that it's not.I also want proof that Nero was the coming prince spoke of by Daniel in Daniel 9:26.
You say you have proof and your proof is scripture and so is mine but where does it say in the word of God that Nero was the fulfillment of Daniel's prophesy?WHERE
Show me where I have jumbled scripture?In case you don't get it?It's cross referencing and I am really looking forward to you proving that the lawlessness one in 2 Thessalonians is not the beast in Revelation 13
You don't believe the AntiChrist will be a man?Why you don't believe that people can get the devil in them

You are not even reading what I am saying about antichrist, by the notes in your statements. So I am abandoning all hope for you to get my point about that.

And.... the benefit I have is that the bible speaks of no gap between the last two weeks of the 70. Everything else all falls into place.

Hey! God can do anything right? Maybe he put gaps all through each and every week due to his mercy and grace. That means He cannot come for another 3 million years!

[Bowas]

Originally Posted by mfblume

You are not even reading what I am saying about antichrist, by the notes in your statements. So I am abandoning all hope for you to get my point about that.

And.... the benefit I have is that the bible speaks of no gap between the last two weeks of the 70. Everything else all falls into place.

Hey! God can do anything right? Maybe he put gaps all through each and every week due to his mercy and grace. That means He cannot come for another 3 million years!

Hmmm. Maybe you are on to something there. If there is a gap where no gap is mentioned, then why not gaps everywhere gaps are not mentioned?

[easter]

Originally Posted by mfblume

You are not even reading what I am saying about antichrist, by the notes in your statements. So I am abandoning all hope for you to get my point about that.

And.... the benefit I have is that the bible speaks of no gap between the last two weeks of the 70. Everything else all falls into place.

Hey! God can do anything right? Maybe he put gaps all through each and every week due to his mercy and grace. That means He cannot come for another 3 million years!

Bro.Blume to be honest with you I've not read much into your teaching.So you should abandon hope because I'm not agreeing with you that the day of the Lord was in 70 AD.If we don't agree on that, it pretty much covers the fact you teach "THE DAY OF THE LORD" has happened and I believe"THE DAY OF THE LORD" is still to come.
Remember Blume we live in the age of grace .....
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise,as some understand slowness.He is patient with you,not wanting anyone to perish,but everyone to come to repentance.
2 Peter 3:10 But the DAY OF THE LORD will come like a theif.The Heavens will disappear with a roar;the elements will be destroyed by fire,and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.
2 Peter 3:11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way,what kind of people ought you to be?You ought to live holy and Godly lives
2 Peter 3:12 as you look forward to the DAY OF GOD and speed it's coming.That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire,and the elements will melt in the heat.

Now if you want to talk about GAPS;the above scripture here concerning the DAY OF THE LORD leaves your theory THE DAY OF THE LORD occurring in 70 AD not lining up with scripture.

[Bowas]

Originally Posted by easter

Bro.Blume to be honest with you I've not read much into your teaching.So you should abandon hope because I'm not agreeing with you that the day of the Lord was in 70 AD.If we don't agree on that, it pretty much covers the fact you teach "THE DAY OF THE LORD" has happened and I believe"THE DAY OF THE LORD" is still to come.
Remember Blume we live in the age of grace .....
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise,as some understand slowness.He is patient with you,not wanting anyone to perish,but everyone to come to repentance.
2 Peter 3:10 But the DAY OF THE LORD will come like a theif.The Heavens will disappear with a roar;the elements will be destroyed by fire,and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.
2 Peter 3:11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way,what kind of people ought you to be?You ought to live holy and Godly lives
2 Peter 3:12 as you look forward to the DAY OF GOD and speed it's coming.That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire,and the elements will melt in the heat.

Now if you want to talk about GAPS;the above scripture here concerning the DAY OF THE LORD leaves your theory THE DAY OF THE LORD occurring in 70 AD not lining up with scripture.

Easter,
Do a quick study on "elements". It may surprise you as to what Peter was talking about. It is not referring to compounds, minerals or that sort of things. This word is used 4 times and it is interesting what it really is.
It is also caled "rudiments" in 2 other places.

ELEMENTS:
Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

RUDIMENTS:
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

G4747
στοιχεῖον
stoicheion
stoy-khi'-on
Neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of G4748; something orderly in arrangement, that is, (by implication) a serial (basal, fundamental, initial) constituent (literally), proposition (figuratively): - element, principle, rudiment.

So, having shown "elements" is not what is often taught (Planet Earth) it appears it is something else. Perhaps a system to which they were at one time in bondage to.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by easter

Bro.Blume to be honest with you I've not read much into your teaching.So you should abandon hope because I'm not agreeing with you that the day of the Lord was in 70 AD.If we don't agree on that, it pretty much covers the fact you teach "THE DAY OF THE LORD" has happened and I believe"THE DAY OF THE LORD" is still to come.
Remember Blume we live in the age of grace .....
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise,as some understand slowness.He is patient with you,not wanting anyone to perish,but everyone to come to repentance.
2 Peter 3:10 But the DAY OF THE LORD will come like a theif.The Heavens will disappear with a roar;the elements will be destroyed by fire,and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.
2 Peter 3:11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way,what kind of people ought you to be?You ought to live holy and Godly lives
2 Peter 3:12 as you look forward to the DAY OF GOD and speed it's coming.That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire,and the elements will melt in the heat.

Now if you want to talk about GAPS;the above scripture here concerning the DAY OF THE LORD leaves your theory THE DAY OF THE LORD occurring in 70 AD not lining up with scripture.

You admit here you have not studied what we teach. And you say there is no hope to convince you. This whole chat started out with the same note from you, and we noted to you that answering a matter before hearing it out is a folly and shame. I guess you just do not want to abide by this proverb. Anyway, we tried. Blood is off our hands.

By the way, I have LOTS of info on that reference you made from Peter's epistle. But I wil save that for folks who really want to consider a teaching before they write it off.

I do appreciate your time, though. Sincere thanks.

[easter]

Originally Posted by Bowas

Easter,
Do a quick study on "elements". It may surprise you as to what Peter was talking about. It is not referring to compounds, minerals or that sort of things. This word is used 4 times and it is interesting what it really is.
It is also caled "rudiments" in 2 other places.

ELEMENTS:
Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

RUDIMENTS:
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

G4747
στοιχεῖον
stoicheion
stoy-khi'-on
Neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of G4748; something orderly in arrangement, that is, (by implication) a serial (basal, fundamental, initial) constituent (literally), proposition (figuratively): - element, principle, rudiment.

So, having shown "elements" is not what is often taught (Planet Earth) it appears it is something else. Perhaps a system to which they were at one time in bondage to.

Thank You for the word study,however this does not change the fact that the scripture here plainly shows that THE DAY OF THE LORD IS YET TO COME.

[mfblume]

Amen Bowas,

ELEMENTS refer to the elementary school lessons of OLD TESTAMENT TEACHING, that prepared Israel for graduation with getting Christ and the New Covenant.

[easter]

Originally Posted by mfblume

You admit here you have not studied what we teach. And you say there is no hope to convince you. This whole chat started out with the same note from you, and we noted to you that answering a matter before hearing it out is a folly and shame. I guess you just do not want to abide by this proverb. Anyway, we tried. Blood is off our hands.

By the way, I have LOTS of info on that reference you made from Peter's epistle. But I wil save that for folks who really want to consider a teaching before they write it off.

I do appreciate your time, though. Sincere thanks.

Ok great.Since I can't be convinced then you realize your wasting time here trying to teach about a theory that don't line up with scripture.So goodbye

[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by easter

I bet you watch Glenn Beck

Glen who?

Is he the astronaut guy?

I am watching the end of time unfold right befores our eyes!

I do not have time for talking to austronauts!






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[Bowas]

Originally Posted by easter

Thank You for the word study,however this does not change the fact that the scripture here plainly shows that THE DAY OF THE LORD IS YET TO COME.

You are welcome. Always glad to assist.
So now it is obvious, the "day of the Lord" as mentioned here by Peter, happened when the bondage of the Old Testament was done away with, (unless of course, we are still under it's bondage) not when Planet Earth is caught on fire.
Thank God we are free!