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View Poll Results: Do you believe and/or teach that standards are heaven or hell issues?
Absolutely. I believe and teach that standards are heaven or hell issues. 11 19.30%
I believe that standards should be followed, but they do not necessarily affect salvation. 10 17.54%
I do not believe standards are salvational, but I teach them in compliance with the organization. 3 5.26%
I do not believe or teach that standards are salvational. 21 36.84%
I teach that standards are matters of consecration, but are not salvational. 11 19.30%
I don't know. 1 1.75%
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Old 04-23-2007, 02:27 PM
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Did I say anything about holiness or is this one of the classical swerves conservatives are known for? There is a difference between holiness and standards. I know standards and holiness mean the same to you. Fortunately they are two different animals to God.
No, but you are trying to put me in your little holiness/standards box. It would seem to me that you have no idea of what holiness is.
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Old 04-23-2007, 02:28 PM
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At least you better hope so.
exactly!!!!
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Old 04-23-2007, 02:31 PM
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You were the one who was making this an issue of holiness.

This is my statment:
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There isn't nothing worldly about modesty or separation of gender. But that ecompasses a whole lot more than pants and skirts or their length. Modesty is like obscenity. One can't define oscenity, but the average person knows it when they see it. One can't define modesty, but the average person person knows modesty when they see it. Leave it to a preacher to make a rulebook out of a principle
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Funny, that you would be the one to define holiness. I have yet to define it. Leave it to a layperson to think he knows what the preacher is saying.
You made standards an issue of holiness, not I.

I know what Biblical holiness is. I gave up on the ultra con definition a long time ago. It is as inconsistent as a John Kerry war vote.

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No, but you are trying to put me in your little holiness/standards box. It would seem to me that you have no idea of what holiness is.
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Old 04-23-2007, 02:34 PM
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You were the one who was making this an issue of holiness.

This is my statment: .

This is your statement:

You made standards an issue of holiness, not I.

I know what Biblical holiness is. I gave up on the ultra con definition a long time ago. It is as inconsistent as a John Kerry war vote.
You gave up on it a long time ago? That leads me to believe you have gone the wrong way, especially since you were going down the road to begin with. I think that is what they call backsliding.
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Old 04-23-2007, 02:39 PM
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I think it is not choosing to believe a lie and be damned.



better put that lol in there...
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You gave up on it a long time ago? That leads me to believe you have gone the wrong way, especially since you were going down the road to begin with. I think that is what they call backsliding.
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Old 04-23-2007, 02:42 PM
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I think it is not choosing to believe a lie and be damned.



better put that lol in there...
I suppose it suits you to believe that. Heaven forbid that you should believe in a lie.
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Old 04-23-2007, 02:57 PM
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The only thing that suits me is the Bible and rightly dividing the word of truth.

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I suppose it suits you to believe that. Heaven forbid that you should believe in a lie.
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Old 04-23-2007, 03:03 PM
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The only thing that suits me is the Bible and rightly dividing the word of truth.
If you are so holy, why is your user name wearing shorts?
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Old 04-23-2007, 03:11 PM
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Who said the name was an article of clothing?
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If you are so holy, why is your user name wearing shorts?
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Old 04-23-2007, 03:11 PM
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Are we confusing standards with holiness again? lol
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If you are so holy, why is your user name wearing shorts?
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