Apostolic Feminists

[Hesetmefree238]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Do you believe they exist?

My wife, who is very active in District Ladies ministry, tells me that more and more she sees women speakers who's mannerisms and demeanor seem to be quite masculine. They scream, pound the pulpit, line everybody out on standards and such.

Recently, I had a chance to watch a lady preacher from TBN. Her first name was Paula (I can't remember the last name). She exhibited what my wife told me she keeps seeing at some of our "ladies" conferences.

It was revolting. I can't stand to see male preachers who priss around like fairies, and I can't stand to see women preachers/speakers who stomp around like lumberjacks.

Does feminism have a place in the Apostolic movement?

I agree with you and my wife does to. I am not against women speakers/preachers, but I do not like to hear or watch one who acts
masculine.

[Sister Alvear]

I don't believe as stated men are stupid...but just because someone says that would not change my overall opinion on the subject.
I willl drop in something for all to consider...
I know lots of preachers that turned against women when they started associating with those that do not...That is called changing because of peer pressure...and then when one of them uses a certain woman the others use her as a "speeker"...
I know I am often called a speeker...that is fine with me because I personally never heard God call me to preach He called me to be a missionary. I don't even like to get up before a crowd so I am fine. But at the same time we should respect each other, pray for each other. I personally have no desire to lead if I did I could be anything in our work I wanted to me for I enjoy the love and respect of our people and our ministers but I rejoice to see them "doing it".
I think what must be discussed more is how to keep our spirits right when we are around those that differ.
I don't like pushy loud women but a lot of them are NOT women preachers.

If God in His plan has put a woman somewhere and you don't understand it...pray for her.
And believe me godly women are not standing in line to be ordained and trying to get attention...they are NOT trying to run the show and sit with the men on the platform...Godly women even in battle ride their horses gracefully and swing their swords (if needed) like a woman!
I know I live on the front lines of battle...and I am glad GOD MADE me a woman...I am thankful for my husband that is such a mighty leader and for my sons that work in the gospel...but I remember when I was just a young single girl on the mission field many years ago........I did what He bid and have been greatly rewarded.

[Sister Alvear]

I have closed my eyes when some men preached!

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

I don't believe in women pastors, but I do use an occasional lady preacher.

I am talking abouty that "men are stupid" stuff, and other things that i really don't care to openly talk about on the forum.

I need to bow out since there is a name involved here.

Sorry...but I have reasons for my opinion on this particular deal.

I am not against women preachers; I just don't care for overbearing, domineering, man-bashers.

Coonskinner- I do not know this individual and only had access to two short clips.

The "men are stupid" remark was addressed to 15 year old girls when speaking about how young men GENERALLY are swayed by beauty. And certainly most of us aren't going to deny that. How else could we explain the actions of Samson and Delilah or David and Bathsheeba?

Furthermore, I thought her point was that women needed to develop that which was lasting rather than rely on what was fleeting. I believe WWOD wrote an exceptional post on the very same issue at NFCF.

The idea that she seemed to be expressing is in keeping with the woman of Proverbs where we learn that beauty is vain but a woman that fears the Lord shall be praised.

Like you; I don't like talking about a particualr individual and in fact I obviously have no real basis to do so. I respect your decision to bow out of the conversation. I shall do likewise.

[Felicity]

Just some quick points here........

• I don't think most women marry intending to rely on beauty or brains or bodies to retain the interest of their husbands. Maybe I'm the odd one out here but it never occurred to me then nor has it occurred to me since.
  
  
• Just how are women to 'develop' themselves anyhow?
  
  
• I think this whole teaching can lead to paranoia on the part of young women.
  
  
• I think that most women 'develop' over time due to life experience.
  
  
• I think a woman is basically what she is and men need to take that into consideration when they marry.
  
  
• What about men? Perhaps men need to 'develop' themselves as well?
  
  
• I think we naturally improve and 'develop' with age in the ways that count.
  
  
• Many women become even more lovely as they age.
  
  
• There's something faulty with this whole line of thinking far as I'm concerned and I feel it represents some of the worst feminism has to offer.
  
  
• I think that putting some of these ideas into the heads of young girls is putting unnecessary pressure on them and could lead to worry and concern where there should be none.

[Truly Blessed]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Just some quick points here........

• I don't think most women marry intending to rely on beauty or brains or bodies to retain the interest of their husbands. Maybe I'm the odd one out here but it never occurred to me then nor has it occurred to me since.
  
  
• Just how are women to 'develop' themselves anyhow?
  
  
• I think this whole teaching can lead to paranoia on the part of young women.
  
  
• I think that most women 'develop' over time due to life experience.
  
  
• I think a woman is basically what she is and men need to take that into consideration when they marry.
  
  
• What about men? Perhaps men need to 'develop' themselves as well?
  
  
• I think we naturally improve and 'develop' with age in the ways that count.
  
  
• Many women become even more lovely as they age.
  
  
• There's something faulty with this whole line of thinking far as I'm concerned and I feel it represents some of the worst feminism has to offer.
  
  
• I think that putting some of these ideas into the heads of young girls is putting unnecessary pressure on them and could lead to worry and concern where there should be none.

Just wondering, If you take away a woman's beauty, body and brains, what do you have left?

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

Just wondering, If you take away a woman's beauty, body and brains, what do you have left?

Oooh, are you in trouble...

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Just some quick points here........

• I don't think most women marry intending to rely on beauty or brains or bodies to retain the interest of their husbands. Maybe I'm the odd one out here but it never occurred to me then nor has it occurred to me since.
  
  Who was speaking of marriaige? You have never seen a woman attempt to manipulate a man with her feminine charm? I assure you it happens.
  
  
• Just how are women to 'develop' themselves anyhow?
  
  By learning first and foremost to fear God; which is the beginning of wisdom.
  
  
• I think this whole teaching can lead to paranoia on the part of young women.
  
  Paranoia? How so? Better for them not to realize that their husbands could possibly be susceptible to less than honorable women?
  
  
• I think that most women 'develop' over time due to life experience.
  
  Let's hope so!
  
  
• I think a woman is basically what she is and men need to take that into consideration when they marry.
  
  Absolutely.
  
  
• What about men? Perhaps men need to 'develop' themselves as well?
  
  Of course.
  
  
• I think we naturally improve and 'develop' with age in the ways that count.
  
  Depends. I think we become more of what we already are. That can be for the better or the worse.
  
  
• Many women become even more lovely as they age.
  
  Certainly.
  
  
• There's something faulty with this whole line of thinking far as I'm concerned and I feel it represents some of the worst feminism has to offer.
  
  I think true feminist would be bothered by a women using her feminity to get what she wants.
  
  
• I think that putting some of these ideas into the heads of young girls is putting unnecessary pressure on them and could lead to worry and concern where there should be none.

I saw it as the opposite. I saw it as letting them know that the path of seduction/manipulation isn't going to lead anywhere; so they might as well start climbing the steeper path now.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Newman

I saw it as the opposite. I saw it as letting them know that the path of seduction/manipulation isn't going to lead anywhere; so they might as well start climbing the steeper path now.

Is that how you won your husband's heart?

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Barb

Oooh, are you in trouble...

I have the next 20 min. on the way to work to 'communicate' with TB. Hehe.