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Re: What was Paul's thorn in the flesh?
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Originally Posted by ChTatum
Prax or Michael,
Either of you are welcome to preach for me on the evils of a novice in the ministry. Feel free to use this thread as an example. I, unlike some, could learn much from either of you.
Or, could either of you speak on the curse of Obamaism affecting the "church" culture?
I feel sure these are timely issues for the church, and a little prayer could bring a mighty anointing.
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06-12-2008, 01:43 PM
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Re: What was Paul's thorn in the flesh?
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Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4
Oh Praxeas, Lazarus was resurrected back to life on EARTH. When we are resurrected from death, we shall live with HIM. Big difference. Our bodies with be changed from corruptible to incorruptible.
Lazarus had a corruptible body that allowed death. Yet, Jesus superseded that death by resurrecting him. Thus, this sickness was purged to bring forth life again.
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So are you saying someone that dies with a sickness will be resurrected WITH it? Or will God make it go away?
BTW we really don't know if Lazarus was even healed or needed to be. If it was a virus it might have died after the body died.
This is all beside the point though. Lazarus was sick. They wanted Jesus to do something and Jesus did nothing but wait.
See nobody here denies God heals. The question is rather does He heal all the time? Or is it all the time on OUR schedule? Can or does God hold off on healing for a while for some reason other than faith?
BTW there are many of us here that believe God always heals but what scriptures do we use specifically?
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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06-12-2008, 01:43 PM
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Re: What was Paul's thorn in the flesh?
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Originally Posted by ChTatum
Prax or Michael,
Either of you are welcome to preach for me on the evils of a novice in the ministry. Feel free to use this thread as an example. I, unlike some, could learn much from either of you.
Or, could either of you speak on the curse of Obamaism affecting the "church" culture?
I feel sure these are timely issues for the church, and a little prayer could bring a mighty anointing.
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How dare you speak so dispairinginly about your next president? 
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06-12-2008, 01:45 PM
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Re: What was Paul's thorn in the flesh?
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Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4
Praxeas,
I've quoted myself above. I ask you a simple question. The thorns mentioned in the above scriptures, were they angels or physical people?
Please remember the bible interprets itself.
In other-words, before interpreting ONE scripture, we must ask ourselves if there are other scriptures with the same context and interpretation .
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Were those "thorns" called angels or messengers? or messengers of Satan?
Has God used or allowed Satan or evil spirits to casuse mischief in the lives of men?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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06-12-2008, 01:48 PM
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Re: What was Paul's thorn in the flesh?
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Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4
Praxeas,
I've quoted myself above. I ask you a simple question. The thorns mentioned in the above scriptures, were they angels or physical people?
Please remember the bible interprets itself.
In other-words, before interpreting ONE scripture, we must ask ourselves if there are other scriptures with the same context and interpretation.
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Lol, I think this is just what I asked you to do, but you refused!
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06-12-2008, 01:51 PM
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Shaking the dust off my shoes.
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Re: What was Paul's thorn in the flesh?
Guys, I give up. I can't follow all this back and forth mumbo jumbo any more. It's ok to do such and thus unless the other person does such and thus and then you have to keep everything in context unless it's you making your point and you have to use the greek but that doesn't count if webster's says something else unless its the wrong version of websters.........yada yada. I give up.
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06-12-2008, 01:55 PM
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Re: What was Paul's thorn in the flesh?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
So are you saying someone that dies with a sickness will be resurrected WITH it? Or will God make it go away??
BTW we really don't know if Lazarus was even healed or needed to be. If it was a virus it might have died after the body died.
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Let's not change directions Praxeas.
Lazarus was resurrected back to life on earth, not heaven. His body was still corruptible when resurrected.
The scripture reads
"And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go."
Notice Jesus said "let him go". Jesus didn't say bring Lazarus that I might heal him. In order to resurrect Lazarus back to life on EARTH, the sickness had to of been purged, otherwise the bible would have said Jesus healed Lazarus after resurrecting him.
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06-12-2008, 01:57 PM
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Re: What was Paul's thorn in the flesh?
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DT,
I apologize, the invitation extends to you as well.
(I do prefer slacks over shorts in the service, but any other time they are OK.)
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06-12-2008, 01:57 PM
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Re: What was Paul's thorn in the flesh?
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Originally Posted by Rico
Guys, I give up. I can't follow all this back and forth mumbo jumbo any more. It's ok to do such and thus unless the other person does such and thus and then you have to keep everything in context unless it's you making your point and you have to use the greek but that doesn't count if webster's says something else unless its the wrong version of websters.........yada yada. I give up.
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I think you are others were right when you said we really just don't know what Paul was referring to.
And it really does not matter because Paul's point remains the same.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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06-12-2008, 01:58 PM
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Re: What was Paul's thorn in the flesh?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Were those "thorns" called angels or messengers? or messengers of Satan?
Has God used or allowed Satan or evil spirits to casuse mischief in the lives of men?
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Praxeas,
So typical of you to answer a question with a question. I'll ask you once again, the scriptures below, when referencing to a "thorn in the side" or "thorn in the eyes", was the thorn referring to people or spirits?
Numbers 33:55
But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell.
Joshua 23:13
Know for a certainty that the LORD your God will no more drive out any of these nations from before you; but they shall be snares and traps unto you, and scourges (WHIP) in your sides , and thorns in your eyes, until ye perish from off this good land which the LORD your God hath given you.
Judges 2:3
Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you.
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