Tulsa Report Day 2 - Page 32

Felicity · #**311** 01-26-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Good advice.

Now if we can just get these guys to let us live our lives without fear.

Thanks.

From what I'm hearing, bro, there are many who are doing pretty much whatever they want. (Talking about UPC preachers here.) I guess the fear factor would depend on the district you're in to a large extent.

Pressing-On · #**312** 01-26-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

Good question and one that could only be answered by the ones telling their young people that.

What I see is there will be some that feel this way and some that won't and in time they'll have problems within just like UPC does now. As long as there are humans involved there are going to be disagreements and problems.

I asked my husband if he ever paid much attention to the women's hair. He said, "Yes, because we hear it preached all the time." lol

Felicity · #**313** 01-26-2008, 01:49 PM

No fear factor here.

StMark · #**314** 01-26-2008, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by George

Some leaders have been directly questioned as to why they won't allow their young people to fellowship UPC. They denied telling them they couldn't. The fact is they are not directly telling them "Don't fellowship UPC" but rather preaching the UPC has taken the wrong path, doesn't have holiness standards, don't believe the message, etc. Good saints understand their pastor and believe if the UPC is taking such a bad turn we need to stay away.
One WPF general council member preached to his church "We aren't the ones who left the UPC the (church across town) left the UPC long ago." He was referring to the "message" and "doctrine" of the UPC. The "church across town" is a wonderful, conservative UPC church. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out saints are going to think if my pastor will not remain UPC it must be so bad I should disassociate.

Really???? This is so surprising!

StMark · #**315** 01-26-2008, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by George

Key word - willing. They are willing to fellowship the UPC if it meets their criteria for fellowship.
Another possiblity. They have received so many phone calls and letters because of not allowing youth to fellowship UPC they are trying to smooth it over. All the talk about coexisting comes across defensive.

All of this is just too hard to believe George

AGAPE · #**316** 01-26-2008, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jbigg

while in the AC of JC or in the UPCI?

upc

AGAPE · #**317** 01-26-2008, 01:55 PM

we stopped fellowshipping youth camps and rallies while we were still upc...

and we have one of the better youth camps/rallies

Tom Foster, Doug White, etc being night speakers

the abundance of jewelry and "revealing" clothing helped push us over the line...

George · #**318** 01-26-2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by StMark

All of this is just too hard to believe George

You are right. It is very hard to believe because we have respected these men for so long our minds do not want to accept they have let us down. Disappointing is another word. I believe in ethics as much as any holiness standard and feel strongly disappointed in these men.

Weary Pilgrim · #**319** 01-26-2008, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AGAPE

we stopped fellowshipping youth camps and rallies while we were still upc...

and we have one of the better youth camps/rallies

Tom Foster, Doug White, etc being night speakers

the abundance of jewelry and "revealing" clothing helped push us over the line...

Let me tell you the facts.The youth from the hard line churches may have "looked" holy,but they were FAR from it! Their girls were practically tripping over their dresses dragging on the ground. Why didn't that keep them from fornicating? The hard line churches had the most out of wedlock pregnancies and problems with fornication(and adultery!)and drinking then ANY of the other churches that were considered "less holy".

Felicity · #**320** 01-26-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Diamond Jim

Let me tell you the facts.The youth from the hard line churches may have "looked" holy,but they were FAR from it! Their girls were practically tripping over their dresses dragging on the ground. Why didn't that keep them from fornicating? The hard line churches had the most out of wedlock pregnancies and problems with fornication(and adultery!)and drinking then ANY of the other churches that were considered "less holy".

This is a problem in most churches - hard line or not.