Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Interesting observation.

The Bible amply shows that all women hold an important role in the body of Christ. Paul said that ALL saints are ministers (See Eph 4:12). But there is a difference between a ‘minister’ and one who is in the five-fold ministry. Paul shows this when he commissions the men in these roles to perfect the remaining body for their calling (See Eph 4:11). I do not see where the Bible says that woman then had or that they ever would have any role in the five-fold ministry of the Church. If someone has such scriptural evidence, I would love to read it.

Can you show me an apostle after Paul? Can you show me where Paul appointed people specifically to those roles each and every time he sent someone to do a work?

I think it's funny that you and others claim that there were women that existed back in that day to work with and for Paul, but he had women fellowlaborers. Some of those women are named. Some are not, just like there are men who aren't specifically named.

How can you explain women who went to prison with Paul? They weren't thrown there for burning the food....

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

Isn't pretty much the entire bible masculine except when referring to a specific person of the female sex? I thought that was the way language worked...

Oddly enough, when referring to the office of a bishop, 'bishop' is a feminine noun.

Kinda blows the 'masculine words mean men only' theory, doesn't it?

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Yes, but in this case we have scriptures that declare one being the husband of one wife and in how one treats their wife and children. Also, as I showed with the Greek for 'prophet,' it can be very gender specific, which is used this way for a purpose.

Let's follow your logic that when the Bible speaks about the bishop having one wife, and that means that only men can be bishops, that it's absolute, ok?

Now, read this verse:

Ex 20:17
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

That verse indicates that men are being instructed not to covet their neighbor's things. No mention of the neighbor's husband or anything belonging to the wife. How can we then tell women that they should covet their neighbor's husband when the Bible makes no such mention, only that they shouldn't covet the wife??

Oh wait, that's different, isn't it?

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Sacerdotal

Do I believe in women preachers? Only the kind that doesn't walk, talk, act or react like a man inside or outside of the pulpit. Nothing is more repulsive than a woman strutting around trying to prove what a preacher she is by wearing men looking suit jackets, doing her best to act like a bowed up rooster.

One of the dumbest things I've seen in any Church was while visiting a church that promoted women preachers. A woman preacher was asked to take up an offering during their annual services and swaggered up to the pulpit with her man looking jacket on and the first thing out of her mouth was "Bless God, I'm a woman and I'm a preacher and if you don't like it you can just live with it!" as she slammed her fist down on the pulpit.

The service died immediately and the pastor later told me it was the lowest offering they had ever gotten.

I have enjoyed the ministry of women preachers that act like ladies. The ones that turn my stomach are the ones that act like they are trapped in the middle of a sex change gone terribly wrong.

How pathetic to say your called to preach but act like a masculine lesbian.

God bless every woman preacher that remembers that she was created a woman first and then a preacher.

I think comments like the above are uncalled for, considering that nothing in your post indicated that she was 'acting like a masculine lesbian'. These kinds of comments really need to stop.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

1 Timothy is speaking of those who lead in the Church. When that is the subject, Paul says they must be married to a wife. Seems to limit it down to me.

Then you must have a problem with single male ministers? The Bible mentions nothing about them, does it? I mean, 'must be' means they have to be married, not that it's an option.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Sacerdotal

How is what I said broad sweeping? I only spoke about my dislike for women preachers who try to act like men. The rest are fine in my opinion.

That narrowed the field to a few perverted acting ones.

How in the world is that 'broad sweeping'?

I believe you didn't stop with her acting masculine, but also like a lesbian.

[Sister Alvear]

Changing the subject our oldest adopted son his mother was martyred for the gospel and we raised him so he had two moms and both were preachers...

Sit back and relax and enjoy his letter and it has nothing to do with this subject but he is the fruit of a woman preacher and she was a holy woman of God.


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[Sam]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Then you must have a problem with single male ministers? The Bible mentions nothing about them, does it? I mean, 'must be' means they have to be married, not that it's an option.

I know of folks who believe that a single person cannot pastor because of where it says the bishop/overseer/elder is to be the husband of one wife. A single person cannot be a husband and therefore cannot be a bishop.

[Sister Alvear]

So his real mother being dead..yet..her works continue in the life of her son. She was our first Brazilian missionary sent out and the first to hear heaven's come up higher call...
I still remember in a convention of maybe 2000 people my husband gave the plea for someone to move to Paraguay and this little lady came up only after waiting to see if a brother would come, None came so she stood up and said she would go with her 5 small children her husband had left her when she became a christian...and she went and the fruit of her labor is still among us...
She had NONE of this world's goods not even a cook stove and she and her children slept in hamocks and on little straw mats...Today 3 of her sons are in the work of the Lord and her daughters serve the Lord...Speaks well of a little lady preacher...

[nahkoe]

You have no idea what impact these words have had on me.

I keep telling God "But I'm a woman. I'm a single woman. I'm a single, divorced woman with 4 kids. I can't do what You're asking."

But I know what burns in my heart.

There's more to my argument, but your words just pulled quite a good amount of my argument out from under me.

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

So his real mother being dead..yet..her works continue in the life of her son. She was our first Brazilian missionary sent out and the first to hear heaven's come up higher call...
I still remember in a convention of maybe 2000 people my husband gave the plea for someone to move to Paraguay and this little lady came up only after waiting to see if a brother would come, None came so she stood up and said she would go with her 5 small children her husband had left her when she became a christian...and she went and the fruit of her labor is still among us...
She had NONE of this world's goods not even a cook stove and she and her children slept in hamocks and on little straw mats...Today 3 of her sons are in the work of the Lord and her daughters serve the Lord...Speaks well of a little lady preacher...