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Old 02-05-2008, 12:54 AM
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Re: "today, A Sad Day For The Upci"

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Now I'm at lost as to where this thread is heading...
Blue, I'm with you. I just got done reading the whole thread, and I'm simply flabbergasted and disturbed by some of the stuff I've just read.

Frankly, the whole thread was misleading and just unfortunate. The original post gave the impression that deceptive and unethical things were being done by the UPCI leadership to 'pad the numbers' of people being baptized. This would be a revolting thing if it were true. Now it seems almost certain that it's not the case.

The poster made reference to it being "a sad day for the UPCI".... proclaimed that "the UPCI has just shot itself in the foot" .... and made reference to how the $25 charge...
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...Closes The Door To The Going Out On The Streets On The Last service Night And Paying The 'Street People' To Come In And Get BAPTIZED So They Can PUBLISH The Large Number Of Candidates Baptized In That Service ! Bishop1
Taken at face value, the implications of such a charge would be shocking to say the least, and would certainly give reason to question the integrity of such UPCI leaders who would approve of such a thing.

But when things got clarified (4 days later), what we see is that a few people in the area [allegedly] claimed they were paid to be baptized. I can't say its true or isn't, but even if it's true it would now appear to possibly be just be the doing of a small number of misguided/dishonest individuals doing something clearly unscriptural and ungodly. (Then again, we just don't know what happened... For all we know, they may have just been paid to show up at the service, and then later on decided to be baptized.)

Still, clearly the original post was worded in such a way that it would give someone the impression that this was:
A) a practice common in the UPCI... that was now being "exposed", and/or
B) something done with the knowledge of UPCI leaders, in order to show greater numbers of people being baptized at the Conference.

That original post was incredibly misleading (even if unintentionally so), and irresponsibly written, but what was even more dismaying was to see how so many on this thread seemed inclined to believe such an allegation was true, or at least credible.

Stuff like this just shows how rumors can get started on message boards, and good men can get their name and reputation damaged unnecessarily. Very sad.
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Old 02-05-2008, 06:37 AM
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Re: "today, A Sad Day For The Upci"

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Now I'm at lost as to where this thread is heading...
Where the thread is heading??? It was DEAD for nearly a YEAR until you resurrected it.

But it is obvious where it is headed now.

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Old 02-05-2008, 06:44 AM
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Re: "today, A Sad Day For The Upci"

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Blue, I'm with you. I just got done reading the whole thread, and I'm simply flabbergasted and disturbed by some of the stuff I've just read.

Frankly, the whole thread was misleading and just unfortunate. The original post gave the impression that deceptive and unethical things were being done by the UPCI leadership to 'pad the numbers' of people being baptized. This would be a revolting thing if it were true. Now it seems almost certain that it's not the case.

The poster made reference to it being "a sad day for the UPCI".... proclaimed that "the UPCI has just shot itself in the foot" .... and made reference to how the $25 charge...
Taken at face value, the implications of such a charge would be shocking to say the least, and would certainly give reason to question the integrity of such UPCI leaders who would approve of such a thing.

But when things got clarified (4 days later), what we see is that a few people in the area [allegedly] claimed they were paid to be baptized. I can't say its true or isn't, but even if it's true it would now appear to possibly be just be the doing of a small number of misguided/dishonest individuals doing something clearly unscriptural and ungodly. (Then again, we just don't know what happened... For all we know, they may have just been paid to show up at the service, and then later on decided to be baptized.)

Still, clearly the original post was worded in such a way that it would give someone the impression that this was:
A) a practice common in the UPCI... that was now being "exposed", and/or
B) something done with the knowledge of UPCI leaders, in order to show greater numbers of people being baptized at the Conference.

That original post was incredibly misleading (even if unintentionally so), and irresponsibly written, but what was even more dismaying was to see how so many on this thread seemed inclined to believe such an allegation was true, or at least credible.

Stuff like this just shows how rumors can get started on message boards, and good men can get their name and reputation damaged unnecessarily. Very sad.
This stuff comes out from the heart whether it is said or typed on a keyboard.

Your statements about this thread could represent most of the threads on this site. People can sure assasinate character and jump on a band wagon in record time and just as quickly excuse their own actions or justify their ego trips from here to eternity.
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Old 02-05-2008, 08:11 AM
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Re: "today, A Sad Day For The Upci"

Ridiculous thread..............

...................makes me sick..................*sigh*
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Re: "today, A Sad Day For The Upci"

Funny how a year changes a few things.
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Old 02-05-2008, 11:47 AM
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Re: "today, A Sad Day For The Upci"

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Where the thread is heading??? It was DEAD for nearly a YEAR until you resurrected it.

But it is obvious where it is headed now.

I see your point to an extent.

Blue may not have noticed that the thread was about a year old. But regardless, its obvious he found the contents rather disturbing... as any Christian should.
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I quit going to the UPCI general conference when they changed their Harvest Time Songfest into a talent show.
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" TODAY,

A SAD DAY

FOR THE UPCI "

I knew that it was coming
but I never thought
that it would be so soon -


The UPCI Has Just Shot Itsself In The Foot !


CHARGING FOR THE GOSPEL !

Charging The $ 25.00 Entry Fee At 'GC'

Opens up the door to TAXES

City Taxes / State Taxes / Federal Taxes

And

Closes The Door

To The Going Out On The Streets
On The Last ervice Night
And
Paying The 'Street People'
To Come In And Get BAPTIZED
So They Can PUBLISH
The Large Number
Of Candinates Baptized In That Service !


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I quit going to the UPCI general conference when they changed their Harvest Time Songfest into a talent show.
what's the difference and how can you tell?
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Ridiculous thread..............

...................makes me sick..................*sigh*
It was stupid then and it's still stupid today
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