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Old 08-30-2007, 10:25 AM
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I sort of hesitate on this, but I got word from a close source that stated he is being falsely accused by a former disgruntled saint. I am skeptical, but that is what I was told.
Look, he is obviously going to go about defending himself however he can. Here's another comment from under the "Extra" JG article:

"She might have been molested, i hope for her she is lying, but sometime when a child comes forth with something like this they tell about what happened first to get it off their chest. and i know unfortunatly it doesn't make it feel any better. then when asked who they freeze and usually name someone they respect. I know because i have been there and wanted to protect the abuser, as crazy as it may sound. "

*sigh* Typical. Discredit the victim.

Read the police report attached to the article, if you haven't already. It's very enlightening.

Think: Why would CH agree to write a letter of apology to the victim if he had not done anything to apologize for? It states in the letter of apology to the victim that he apologizes for the incidents, "agrees that the incidents were correct as explained by the minor/victim."
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Old 08-30-2007, 10:33 AM
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Which confirms my thoughts that my source is most likely misinformed.
Do you have the link to the police report.

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Look, he is obviously going to go about defending himself however he can. Here's another comment from under the "Extra" JG article:

"She might have been molested, i hope for her she is lying, but sometime when a child comes forth with something like this they tell about what happened first to get it off their chest. and i know unfortunatly it doesn't make it feel any better. then when asked who they freeze and usually name someone they respect. I know because i have been there and wanted to protect the abuser, as crazy as it may sound. "

*sigh* Typical. Discredit the victim.

Read the police report attached to the article, if you haven't already. It's very enlightening.

Think: Why would CH agree to write a letter of apology to the victim if he had not done anything to apologize for? It states in the letter of apology to the victim that he apologizes for the incidents, "agrees that the incidents were correct as explained by the minor/victim."
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Old 08-30-2007, 10:38 AM
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Which confirms my thoughts that my source is most likely misinformed.
Do you have the link to the police report.
Police Report

There are three pages (saved as images), documenting the interview with the victim, the police talking to CH at his home, his voluntary trip to the police station, his confession/agreement to the allegations, and his subsequent arrest. According to the report, CH was cooperative.

You can right-click on each page and save the images, if you want to print them out to read, or you can open them with Windows picture viewer(or whatever software you have) and zoom in to read the small print.
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Old 08-30-2007, 10:40 AM
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Which confirms my thoughts that my source is most likely misinformed.
Do you have the link to the police report.
MissB's post no. 294(?) has the hyperlink,http://www.joplinglobeonline.com/news/huling_docs/

the charging document does seem to directly contradict your source's comments. The individual confirmed the victim's accounts of various contacts with the defendant.

*edit* made the post while abby was posting...sorry
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Old 08-30-2007, 10:42 AM
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MissB's post no. 294(?) has the hyperlink, I supply it http://www.joplinglobeonline.com/news/huling_docs/

the charging document do seem to directly contradict your source's comments. The individual confirmed the victim's accounts of various contacts with the defendant.

*edit* made the post while abby was posting...sorry
Thanks for posting the link.

So...I don't understand how he can confess and then plead "Not Guilty." Maybe Newman could have some input there? Why would he even want to do that?
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Old 08-30-2007, 10:44 AM
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Thanks for posting the link.

So...I don't understand how he can confess and then plead "Not Guilty." Maybe Newman could have some input there? Why would he even want to do that?
maybe because he is pleading not quilty to the charge rather than the action.
Child Molestation, 1st Degree may have a series of 'factors' that have to be met that his attorney may feel can be disputed.
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Old 08-30-2007, 10:50 AM
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Thanks for posting the link.

So...I don't understand how he can confess and then plead "Not Guilty." Maybe Newman could have some input there? Why would he even want to do that?
Pleas are somewhat ambiguous...

There are generally 3 offered, Guilty, No contest, and not guilty. The range of these pleas can vary...for instance not guilty by reason of insanity...

If you plead guilty or no contest...then you are sentenced without a trial, without any more evidence, or without much way of bringing some level of sympathy from the court...

Therefore, if you want a trial, or the opportunity of a lesser charge (by pleaing down), you have to plead guilty even if you confess beforehand...

So the plea is a technicality in cases like this as opposed to an actual claim of guilt or innocence....
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Old 08-30-2007, 02:08 PM
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Pleas are somewhat ambiguous...

There are generally 3 offered, Guilty, No contest, and not guilty. The range of these pleas can vary...for instance not guilty by reason of insanity...

If you plead guilty or no contest...then you are sentenced without a trial, without any more evidence, or without much way of bringing some level of sympathy from the court...

Therefore, if you want a trial, or the opportunity of a lesser charge (by pleaing down), you have to plead guilty even if you confess beforehand...
So the plea is a technicality in cases like this as opposed to an actual claim of guilt or innocence....
I meant for the bolded sentence to read:

Therefore, if you want a trial, or the opportunity of a lesser charge (by pleaing down), you have to plead NOT guilty even if you confess beforehand...
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Old 08-30-2007, 02:22 PM
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Look, he is obviously going to go about defending himself however he can. Here's another comment from under the "Extra" JG article:

"She might have been molested, i hope for her she is lying, but sometime when a child comes forth with something like this they tell about what happened first to get it off their chest. and i know unfortunatly it doesn't make it feel any better. then when asked who they freeze and usually name someone they respect. I know because i have been there and wanted to protect the abuser, as crazy as it may sound. "

*sigh* Typical. Discredit the victim.

Read the police report attached to the article, if you haven't already. It's very enlightening.

Think: Why would CH agree to write a letter of apology to the victim if he had not done anything to apologize for? It states in the letter of apology to the victim that he apologizes for the incidents,"agrees that the incidents were correct as explained by the minor/victim."
[sarcasm]Gee, I wonder why kids are usually so afraid to tell & most of the time, never do...?[/sarcasm]
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Thanks for posting the link.

So...I don't understand how he can confess and then plead "Not Guilty." Maybe Newman could have some input there? Why would he even want to do that?
It means the victim also has to go to trial and if she doesn't testify or if they aren't satisfied with her testimony, it goes better for him than if he pleads guilty.
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