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07-31-2007, 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by rrford
Hey, we are actually coming closer to agreement here. 
Good discussion. So then, according to you Jesus could have sinned because he was tempted just like us to sin? Yet He did not sin because He had the fullness of the Spirit which took away the desire to sin. Right?
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No.
The fullness of the Spirit did not eradicate or take away the desire. The propensity was not found in the fullness of the Spirit but in his earthly flesh.
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07-31-2007, 12:19 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rrford
Hey, we are actually coming closer to agreement here.
Good discussion. So then, according to you Jesus could have sinned because he was tempted just like us to sin? Yet He did not sin because He had the fullness of the Spirit which took away the desire to sin. Right?
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He did not sin Id say because he over came the desire to sin
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
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07-31-2007, 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
I sat down with Brother Teklemarian and took notes. I wanted to make sure that I understood what this doctrine entails.
In Jesus Name
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Does he view it as salvational?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-31-2007, 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
This shows me you just totally did not understand my post. Sigh
Is turning stones to bread a sin? No he was not tempted to turn stones to bread. He was tempted to disobey God by breaking his fast. He was not tempted to jump off a pinnicle as if the law says "thou shalt not jump off thing pinnicle"...he was tempted to TEMPT God.
Second and I have to repeat this I guess...it's NOT the same thing to say "Satan tempted him" and to say "He was tempted"
Satan tempting is what Satan tried to do
Jesus BEING tempted, just like us is defined here
Jas 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desires.
Jas 1:15 Then when desire conceives, it gives birth to sin, and when sin is full grown, it gives birth to death.
Jas 1:16 Do not be led astray, my dear brothers and sisters.
Notice HIS OWN desires...not "lured and enticed by Satan"...Lured and enticed by HIS OWN desires...
You got two different things here. Jesus being tempted in all points like us is never said anywhere to have happened ONLY in the garden.
As long as he has a human nature he had the desires of the flesh.
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
There is a vast difference between saying "Jesus was tempted by satan" in other words Satan was testing Jesus
And saying "Jesus was tempted just like us" which James says occurs because of OUR desires...not because of what Satan did |
And I keep saying this: I agree with what you are saying. You just have refused to see it.
BTW, the temptation by Satan did not occur in the garden.
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07-31-2007, 12:22 AM
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Was Jesus tempted in the garden praying "not my will but yours be done"?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-31-2007, 12:22 AM
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Been a barrel of laughs and good info guys. Thanks! Always good to add a few things to my material.
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07-31-2007, 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Was Jesus tempted in the garden praying "not my will but yours be done"?
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Hmm, since He was by himself, and according to your explanations, we would have to say YES!
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07-31-2007, 12:23 AM
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-31-2007, 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by rrford
Hmm, since He was by himself, and according to your explanations, we would have to say YES!
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Yes...
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-31-2007, 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Does he view it as salvational?
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Most certianly, so I guess everyone in the AWCF needs to get the revelation on "putting on Christ."
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
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