Psychiatry An Industry Of Death Full Length

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Amanah

amen and amen.

if the church is at the psychiatrists office and taking psychotropic meds to deal with life, then we are in big trouble.

Sad but true.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Amen! So, now that we see the Bible does not agree that belief is the same thing as repentance, and we see that it also describes faith is being faithfulness, can we also see that DDB may be correct in stating that much of what is labeled a mental disorder today is a spiritual problem in the Bible? Since that is true, then his faithfulness to believe those who suffer such things can be delivered through Jesus is not such a far out thing, amen?

Much of what is labelled mental "disorders" today are actually normal, human traits, emotions, experiences, etc. Much of the rest are disordered minds brought about by bad modern western diets, or other biological problems (including thyroid disease, hormone imbalances - often exogenous - and so forth). Many are disorders brought about by sin.* And some are genuine spirit possessions.

* Deut 28:28-29 indicates pervasive mental disorders are a sign society is under the judgment of God because of widespread sin.

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Much of what is labelled mental "disorders" today are actually normal, human traits, emotions, experiences, etc. Much of the rest are disordered minds brought about by bad modern western diets, or other biological problems (including thyroid disease, hormone imbalances - often exogenous - and so forth). Many are disorders brought about by sin.* And some are genuine spirit possessions.

* Deut 28:28-29 indicates pervasive mental disorders are a sign society is under the judgment of God because of widespread sin.

I agree with this post. IMO the disagreement is which is which!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

So, are pastors supposed to now get medical degrees?

Could they also get in legal trouble if they engaged in making diagnoses that proved to be wrong?

Should Peter and the other apostles stayed in the word, in prayer, and in a medical journal?

How could you get any of that from what I posted?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Amanah

amen and amen.

if the church is at the psychiatrists office and taking psychotropic meds to deal with life, then we are in big trouble.

Most people don't need meds. They need to be renewed in the Spirit, a proper diet, exercise, and a healthy outlet for stress like a hobby, outdoor activity, and family time.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Most people don't need meds. They need to be renewed in the Spirit, a proper diet, exercise, and a healthy outlet for stress like a hobby, outdoor activity, and family time.

Like joining AFF?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Like joining AFF?

You did it again!!!!

I'm scrolling down reading the posts, and BAM!

You give me an aneurysm with the oneliner.

Between you and Jediwill I am going to die in front of the screen

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You did it again!!!!

I'm scrolling down reading the posts, and BAM!

You give me an aneurysm with the oneliner.

Between you and Jediwill I am going to die in front of the screen

My sincerest apologies, brother. I'll try not to be the death of you.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

If a church or pastor doesn't see the signs that a person needs psychical help, and doesn't help point them in the direction of getting the help they need, and that person harms themselves or others, they have blood on their hands. And, a case can me made in some situations that a church could have legal liability also.

I believe every church should have a directory of trusted charities and trusted counseling resources to turn to in the event that there are signs of someone needing help. With a little homework, a church can have excellent, Christian, resources to turn people to.

With so many vets coming home with significant problems, this would be wise.

Aquila i Listen to NPR, but I don't believe NPR. You must listen to NPR and believe NPR. There is religious liberty in this country. While you would like to spout scare tactics (this one in particular you used on me in a PM) is sadly laughable. Aquila, I'm under no restraint by law to "MAKE" anyone seek a Voodoo doctor to shrink their heads. You want to know who were the first enemies of Psychiatry? Medical community, they wanted to see some biological objective science for psychiatry's crackpot treatments. You have a broken leg? I can see a broken leg. You have a cut open wound? I can see a cut open wound. You have physical blindness, we can see that, you are near sighted we can determine that as well. You have stomach cancer, like I once had. You can find through testing where the cancer is located. You have brain damage we can actually see and determine when it occurred. Head injuries, or birth defects. You are overly angry, short temper, you cry easily, sensitive, depressed, mood swings, just behavioral thoughts and feelings. Psychologist are unable to prescribe you medication, because they don't go to medical school. They listen to you, they watch the clock, and they look at the DSM. You want to call them professionals? But the elder of the Church is just some jackleg jellybean? Let me save you some time and effort of spouting the nonsense of a preacher getting in trouble. You and Al have no case, preachers, are religious leadership. They aren't police, they aren't Voodoo doctors, and they aren't surgeons. If a grown adult has cancer and refuses Western Medicine thn that is on them. If I am dying in front of group of people and someone calls me an ambulance and I refuse treatment. They can leave me to die.

Our individual freedoms and religious freedoms are still here, and "scare tactics" are just that.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

If a church or pastor doesn't see the signs that a person needs psychical help, and doesn't help point them in the direction of getting the help they need, and that person harms themselves or others, they have blood on their hands. And, a case can me made in some situations that a church could have legal liability also.

I believe every church should have a directory of trusted charities and trusted counseling resources to turn to in the event that there are signs of someone needing help. With a little homework, a church can have excellent, Christian, resources to turn people to.

With so many vets coming home with significant problems, this would be wise.

Originally Posted by TK Burk

So, are pastors supposed to now get medical degrees?

Could they also get in legal trouble if they engaged in making diagnoses that proved to be wrong?

Should Peter and the other apostles stayed in the word, in prayer, and in a medical journal?

Originally Posted by Aquila

How could you get any of that from what I posted?

Quite easy. You enlist fear as a tool to motivate any minister to direct an individual to a psychotherapy, group counseling resources. If they don't they have "blood on their hands?" Maybe you and Al didn't put much thought into this, but the "preacher" would have to be able to make a diagnosis himself to determine if the "saint" has an issue found in the DSM. Or at least be able to determine if the individual had a problem. Also who makes the parameters on this? If you have children from vacation Bible schools, or Sunday schools, I understand if the have bruises, or aren't taken care of hygienically, we need to look further into their situation. But, as far as recommending that little Jack or Jill get placed on Ritalin, or have their little heads shrunk is not for any religious leader to advocate. Also, going beyond parental rights one needs to watch what they suggest. So, obviously to circumvent all this one should become a PROFESSIONAL headshrinker themselves. Brother Burk is a cut to the point kind of guy. He deals with solutions not problems. Therefore the only logical solution would be to become Dr Livingstone and be the head shrinking pastor. He could have the Bible in one hand, and the DSM in the other. Absolutely preposterous, totally unbiblical, and a church full of mess, no Holy Ghost, and as dry as a Mummy's pocket.