They have no shame - Page 31

Rudy · #**301** 10-01-2015, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword

You speaks of threats, but are you not the one advocating violence against tithe preachers?

Are you not the one vilifying them and dragging them thru the dirt?

Telling people to be sat down and so forth.
Where do you get off saying that?

now you are comparing them to Jim Jones, what is next tithe preachers are Hitler?

you speak of unity but in your own terms.

Dragging them through the dirt?

Compared no one to Jim Jones.

good samaritan · #**302** 10-01-2015, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy

They tend to jump back and forth a lot. It is vitally important that we have a COMMAND from God's word to obey. Not speculation of what we should do. If you don't comply then you are not in unity. It got so bad with Jim Jones he threw the bible away and he now speaks for God.

Good Samaritan said we should comply to what they ask for in giving as long as they don't threaten you. But says we are not in unity if we don't.

OH MY!!! is that not a threat????

Rudy · #**303** 10-01-2015, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

Just stating how bad it got with jimmy.

Originalist · #**304** 10-02-2015, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by J.A. Perez

Brother,
At the root of tithing . Is the reality that all good and precious gifts come from God. In all that he gives you and all that you prosper and increase God requires his portion first. Not as an opportunity to curse you or to throw you in hell, but as an admonishment to recognize where our blessing comes from. This concept is talk over and over throughout the scripture. I don't think you need me to hermeneuticaly lay it out, it's undeniable.

I learned everything I know at the feet of good men, honorable men.

If you do not see the types and shadows in the scriptures that I have given then I apologize but I can't help you. (Please see post 277) You're writing really comes across as though you have a very bitter mean spirit and I'm sorry but I don't want to discuss this with you any longer.

I love you but this discussion is useless.

Paul could have been accused of having a bitter and mean spirit towards the Judaizers as well. False doctrine can't be coddled. Teaching the NT saints that that they are obligated scripturally to give 10% of their gross income to the church is closely akin to the doctrine of the Judaizers.

Rudy · #**305** 10-02-2015, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by J.A. Perez

Brother,
At the root of tithing . Is the reality that all good and precious gifts come from God. In all that he gives you and all that you prosper and increase God requires his portion first. Not as an opportunity to curse you or to throw you in hell, but as an admonishment to recognize where our blessing comes from. This concept is talk over and over throughout the scripture. I don't think you need me to hermeneuticaly lay it out, it's undeniable.

I learned everything I know at the feet of good men, honorable men.

If you do not see the types and shadows in the scriptures that I have given then I apologize but I can't help you. (Please see post 277) You're writing really comes across as though you have a very bitter mean spirit and I'm sorry but I don't want to discuss this with you any longer.

I love you but this discussion is useless.

We love you too, you fail to see that not everyone tithed.

good samaritan · #**306** 10-02-2015, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudy

We love you too, you fail to see that not everyone tithed.

I believe your stance on tithing is sound, but two questions?

1)Does God desire us to regularly support the local ministry?
2)Does the amount matter to God? (in other words will God consider the heart of the giver in the amount they give)

I understand based upon individual settings some can do more and others less. God will decide what is right. I am not saying that to threaten anyone. The law brings fear and the Spirit brings liberty. Liberty means not to fearfully give, but instead give from a cheerful heart as unto a God who has gave so much to us.

I personally think tithing isn't a mandatory thing, but I do think the principle of commitments to God of our increase should be prayerfully studied and considered. No one has ever suffered for giving to God. I personally having experienced the blessings from tithing and offering I am glad to give. I could go on and on about supernatural financial blessings. Tithing is right, but the mandatory thing may not be. God will judge the heart of every individual on whether they have met up to His leading.

Rudy · #**307** 10-02-2015, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

I believe your stance on tithing is sound, but two questions?

1)Does God desire us to regularly support the local ministry?
2)Does the amount matter to God? (in other words will God consider the heart of the giver in the amount they give)

I understand based upon individual settings some can do more and others less. God will decide what is right. I am not saying that to threaten anyone. The law brings fear and the Spirit brings liberty. Liberty means not to fearfully give, but instead give from a cheerful heart as unto a God who has gave so much to us.

I personally think tithing isn't a mandatory thing, but I do think the principle of commitments to God of our increase should be prayerfully studied and considered. No one has ever suffered for giving to God. I personally having experienced the blessings from tithing and offering I am glad to give. I could go on and on about supernatural financial blessings. Tithing is right, but the mandatory thing may not be. God will judge the heart of every individual on whether they have met up to His leading.

1.Absolutely.

2.I believe in spirit led giving. I don't believe there is a mandate to have a building to support. If one desires that approach then one must consider the expenses of that structure. It takes a lot of money to support that.

Yes I think God would look at the heart of the giver on the amount. However, a babe in Christ may take some time to mature and trust.

Also, there are those who need help and should not be told to "just keep giving." The tithe was shared.

good samaritan · #**308** 10-02-2015, 05:49 PM

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2.I believe in spirit led giving. I don't believe there is a mandate to have a building to support. If one desires that approach then one must consider the expenses of that structure. It takes a lot of money to support that.

Do you think we should have church buildings?

Sean · #**309** 10-02-2015, 07:45 PM

I do, but MANY, non-elaborate buildings, with multiple elders running them. A head elder to be elected for a time to oversee the group. Volunteers are preferable.

good samaritan · #**310** 10-02-2015, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

I do, but MANY, non-elaborate buildings, with multiple elders running them. A head elder to be elected for a time to oversee the group. Volunteers are preferable.

I am for simple, efficient, and economical. Although, I wouldn't want to be frugal with my place of worship and elaborate with my personal toys.