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03-22-2013, 07:55 PM
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Re: To tithe or not to tithe?
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To me he was bargaining "if". No problem about tithes.
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I disagree but whether he was or not does not change the fact he promised to tithe...so it's irrelevant
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03-22-2013, 08:00 PM
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Re: To tithe or not to tithe?
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I disagree but whether he was or not does not change the fact he promised to tithe...so it's irrelevant
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So he promised? Why was not he already doing it? Eternal principle broken here. Too many gaps, as in the law, all did not tithe.
Just keep going in circles here.
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03-22-2013, 08:08 PM
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Re: To tithe or not to tithe?
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So he promised? Why was not he already doing it? Eternal principle broken here. Too many gaps, as in the law, all did not tithe.
Just keep going in circles here.
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What difference does it make?
The fact is he tithing occurred before the law lol...
I've proven the only thing I set out to do and nobody has come up with an argument to the contrary.
BTW not that it is relevant since all you and JL are doing is arguing a red herring, the text indicates Jacob had not decided to be a follower of Yhweh yet
Gen 28:19 He called the name of that place Bethel, but the name of the city was Luz at the first.
Gen 28:20 Then Jacob made a vow, saying, "If God will be with me and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat and clothing to wear,
Gen 28:21 so that I come again to my father's house in peace, then the LORD shall be my God,
Gen 28:22 and this stone, which I have set up for a pillar, shall be God's house. And of all that you give me I will give a full tenth to you."
as I said before the tithing was not "if you do this" rather he promised the LORD would be His God IF God did what Jacob asked.
Jacob was making a covenant with Yahweh...as part of that covenant, when Yahweh becomes Jacob's God then he will, as part of being a follower of God, tithe
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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03-22-2013, 08:18 PM
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Re: To tithe or not to tithe?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
What difference does it make?
The fact is he tithing occurred before the law lol...
I've proven the only thing I set out to do and nobody has come up with an argument to the contrary.
BTW not that it is relevant since all you and JL are doing is arguing a red herring, the text indicates Jacob had not decided to be a follower of Yhweh yet
Gen 28:19 He called the name of that place Bethel, but the name of the city was Luz at the first.
Gen 28:20 Then Jacob made a vow, saying, "If God will be with me and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat and clothing to wear,
Gen 28:21 so that I come again to my father's house in peace, then the LORD shall be my God,
Gen 28:22 and this stone, which I have set up for a pillar, shall be God's house. And of all that you give me I will give a full tenth to you."
as I said before the tithing was not "if you do this" rather he promised the LORD would be His God IF God did what Jacob asked.
Jacob was making a covenant with Yahweh...as part of that covenant, when Yahweh becomes Jacob's God then he will, as part of being a follower of God, tithe |
Gaps in the law as well, all did not tithe. Were they not part of God's people?
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03-22-2013, 08:27 PM
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Re: To tithe or not to tithe?
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Gaps in the law as well, all did not tithe. Were they not part of God's people?
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That is irrelevant to what I've been arguing.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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03-22-2013, 08:28 PM
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Re: To tithe or not to tithe?
Did Jacob tithe:
http://www.masters-table.org/studies/piferstudy2.html
This guys view anyway...for what it's worth.
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03-22-2013, 08:49 PM
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Re: To tithe or not to tithe?
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That is irrelevant to what I've been arguing.
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Bro. the gaps/holes prove there is not an eternal command. Just that simple. We are in a royal priesthood our selves.
Is tithing money an issue of salvation for you?
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03-22-2013, 08:52 PM
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Re: To tithe or not to tithe?
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If that is true then The LORD was also never Jacobs God...
The requirement of his vow was to be fulfilled NOT in tithing but in Jacob being a follower of the LORD God.
Gen 28:19 He called the name of that place Bethel, but the name of the city was Luz at the first.
Gen 28:20 Then Jacob made a vow, saying, "If God will be with me and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat and clothing to wear,
Gen 28:21 so that I come again to my father's house in peace, then the LORD shall be my God,
Gen 28:22 and this stone, which I have set up for a pillar, shall be God's house. And of all that you give me I will give a full tenth to you."
What didn't God do for Jacob?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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03-22-2013, 08:53 PM
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Re: To tithe or not to tithe?
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Originally Posted by Rudy
Bro. the gaps/holes prove there is not an eternal command. Just that simple. We are in a royal priesthood our selves.
Is tithing money an issue of salvation for you?
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Since I never said anything about an Eternal Command nor salvation, your words are irrelevant to what I have been sayng
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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03-23-2013, 04:57 AM
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Re: To tithe or not to tithe?
Look, folks who defend the mandatory payment of tithing have to do so through a perversion of the scriptures, plain and simple. Abraham's tithe was voluntary, as was Jacob's. The tithe under the law applied only to agricultural goods, and not everyone tithed. There is no record of the tithe being commanded to believers in any way or form under the New Covenant, since we are now the Temple of God, priests unto our Lord, and in Christ no longer under the Levitical priesthood, but under the order of Melchizedek.
Now, if someone has had it laid on their heart to give a tenth, then so be it. As they give, I will worship with them. But, when people begin lying about people being robbers because they do not pay this tenth, that is when the problem comes in, big time!
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