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[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

5:1 is clearly in the past tense ...
5:19 speaks of Adam's disobedience and how the obedience of Jesus unto the cross, the One, makes us righteous ... I don't see any future tense ...

Then is faith and repentance required?

Can't have it both ways.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

be credited .... 3049.... (Logizomai)

Definition

2. to reckon, count, compute, calculate, count over
   1. to take into account, to make an account of
      1. metaph. to pass to one's account, to impute
      2. a thing is reckoned as or to be something, i.e. as availing for or equivalent to something, as having the like force and weight
   2. to number among, reckon with
   3. to reckon or account
3. to reckon inward, count up or weigh the reasons, to deliberate
4. by reckoning up all the reasons, to gather or infer
   1. to consider, take into account, weigh, meditate on
   2. to suppose, deem, judge
   3. to determine, purpose, decide

This word deals with reality. If I "logizomai" or reckon that my bank book has in it, it has in it. Otherwise I am deceiving myself. This word refers to facts not suppositions.

Translated Words

KJV (41) - account, 4; count, 5; impute, 8; misc, 5; number, 1; reason, 1; reckon, 6; suppose, 2; think, 9;

NAS (41) - consider, 6; considered, 2; counted, 1; counting, 1; credit, 1; credited, 9; credits, 1; dwell, 1; maintain, 1; numbered, 2; propose, 1; reason, 1; reckoned, 2; regard, 4; regarded, 3; suppose, 1; take into account, 3; thinks,

Again is faith and repentance required?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

So THAT is fellowship?

I thought fellowship was of the "Spirit."

Suppose it was the other way around. Suppose they attended YOUR services or you sat on THEIR platform. Would THAT be fellowship.

Just trying to understand what you call "fellowship."

If I eat with them I am in no way suggesting they are saved. But if I preach them or put them up in a service I am saying they are saved.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Again is faith and repentance required?

HAS ANYONE SAID OTHERWISE ... GENUINE FAITH WILL PRODUCE IMMEDIATE REPENTANCE ... THEY GO HAND IN HAND ... THIS IS WHAT I MEAN ELDER ... YOU DON'T LISTEN ... JUST PONTIFICATE.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

If I eat with them I am in no way suggesting they are saved. But if I preach them or put them up in a service I am saying they are saved.

BUT BIG BROTHER CAN PREACH FOR THEM ...

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Then is faith and repentance required?

Can't have it both ways.

You make up stuff as you go ... it's becoming ridiculous ... now I dont believe in faith and repentance being required .....

[SDG]

Why don't you break down Romans 4 for us ... Elder Epley???

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

HAS ANYONE SAID OTHERWISE ... GENUINE FAITH WILL PRODUCE IMMEDIATE REPENTANCE ... THEY GO HAND IN HAND ... THIS IS WHAT I MEAN ELDER ... YOU DON'T LISTEN ... JUST PONTIFICATE.

Excuse me you said Rom. 5:19 had NO future tense thus a future faith anf repentance would be useless. Now you have went from faith only to Calvary saves without any future faith or repentance.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Excuse me you said Rom. 5:19 had NO future tense thus a future faith anf repentance would be useless. Now you have went from faith only to Calvary saves without any future faith or repentance.

Please reiterate ... or read the entire discussion ... because it's not processing .... and stop being a ventriloquist ....

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

If I eat with them I am in no way suggesting they are saved. But if I preach them or put them up in a service I am saying they are saved.

I would never want anyone to assume that I am saying anyone is saved or lost by whatever action that I may or may not take in regard to anyone, not even an Apostolic preacher. He may be lost.

I have had men to stand up in my meetings and say things that were not doctrinally correct. I corrected it. Therefore my fellowship with them was not in the Spirit.

I can fellowship on various levels. I can fellowship in the natural. I can fellowship in the Spirit. In either case, that fellowship will cease when it becomes objectionable. Denominations and religious organizations were never the intended basis of fellowship. Exclusivism based on that kind of fellowship is contrary to divine fellowship with the Lord.