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More Scripture to show that the one who confirms a covenant with many spoken of by the Prophet Daniel is in fact THE LAWLESSNESS ONE,THE MAN OF SIN,THE ANTICHRIST WHO WILL CONFIRM A COVENANT WITH MANY DURING THE SEVEN YEAR TRIBULATION

2 Thessalonians 2:2 Not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy,report or letter supposed to have come from us,saying that the day of the Lord has already come.(3) Don't let anyone deceive you in anyway,for that day will not come,until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed,the man doomed to destruction.(4) He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped,so that he sets himself up in God's temple proclaiming himself to be GOD.

this is the Abomination of Desolation,the man of sin setting himself up in god"s temple<claiming to be GOD
Nero did that in the first century and every Christian alive immediately thought of the beast and man of sin. In fact that was the FIRST interpretation of 2 Thess 2 for centuries, until someone else started a NEW idea.

But where does it say anything about confirming a covenant?

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Let's examine Daniel 9:26 After those 62 weeks the Messiah will be cut off and will have nothing.The people of the COMING PRINCE will destroy the city and the sanctuary.The end will come with a flood and until the end there will be war desolations are decreed.

Daniel's prophecy speaks of the coming prince.Who is this COMING prince

Daniel 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one seven .
The coming prince has nothing to do with the covenant, becuase HE IS A SIDE ISSUE grammatically speaking, and not the subject. The MESSIAH is the subject in verse 26. Not the coming prince.

Daniel 9:26-27 KJV And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah (THE SUBJECT OF THE WRITING HERE) be cut off, but not for himself: and the people (SECONDARY ISSUE) of the prince that shall come (THIRD ISSUE, in line behind his (2) PEOPLE and the (1) MESSIAH) shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. (27) And he (THE MESSIAH) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week (Jesus died 3.5 years after He began preaching when He confirmed the covenant- GAL. 3:16-17): and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease (Jesus dies 3.5 years after he preaches and ceases sacrifices - Heb 10:1-2, 14), and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


See how scriptures say the identical things about the cross if we consider there is no gap and the cross is the only thing to occur without gap of years? I mean, who would think of a gap here anyway? That is ridiculous!

If there is no gap, as you admitted you had no bible for that, then after the 69 weeks JESUS COMES and MINISTERS. And this begins the 70th week. No gap. And 3.5 years later after Jesus ministers, he dies on the cross. That death caused sacrifices to cease.

If this is Jesus, like I say, and you say it is antichrist, then you might be in a whole lot of trouble with the Lord because Jesus said if you call the work of God to actually be the work of the devil, then that cannot be forgiven. And since you have no bible for a gap, then you had better take another serious look at all of this because with NO GAP THERE, it perfectly works out to be Jesus!


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In the middle of the seven he will put an end to sacrifice and offering.And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolations,until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

The sacrifice and offering will be put to an end because the lawlessness one sats himself up in God's temple,proclaiming to be God demanding sacrifice and offerings be made to him. 2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over every thing that is called God or is worshiped ,so that he sets himself up in God's temple ,proclaiming himself to be God.
Nothing in 2 Thess 2 says anything about causing sacrifices to cease. Nothing. But my view literally has scripture that explicitly says Jesus' death caused sacrifices to cease, and that occurred 3.5 years after He first ministered. You even admit Jesus came after 69 weeks. So if there is no gap,. as you admit you have no bible for, then count as though there is no gap AND SEE HOW JESUS FITS THE PICTURE! And you are calling His work to be the work of the devil?????

Take a look again, easter.

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Let's see what Jesus our Lord said about THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION
Matthew 24:15 So when you see standing in the holy place the Abomination that causes desolation spoken of through the prophet Daniel(let the reader understand)
That occurred in the same generation to whom Jesus spoke, in AD70, only forty years (same generation period) later.

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John 14:28 You heard me say,I am going away and I am coming back to you,If you loved me,you would be glad that I am going to the Father,for the Father is greater than I.
John 14:29 I have told you now before it happens,so that when it does happen you will believe.
John 14:30 I will not speak with you much longer,for THE PRINCE OF THIS WORLD IS COMING He has no hold on me.
SATAN IS THE PRINCE OF THIS WORLD
The lawlessness one,The Man of Sin,is indwelled by Satan.
Satan is indeed the prince of this world, but Jesus was talking about the CROSS and being crucified in this passage in John 14! the cross had not yet occurred in John 14, you know. So you are AGAIN removing the cross from the focal point in these verses now.

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This is who Daniel was prophesy about in
Daniel 9:26 The coming Prince and the city that was destroyed by his people,means THE MAN OF LAWLESSNESS will come from the people that was responsible for the Destruction of Jerusalem in 70 Ad.Some think it will be out of a revived Roman Empire or an Assyrian.
You got all this from man since the bible says nothing about a gap. So man told you about the gap, and you cannot find one verse that says the the man of sin causes sacrifices to cease. Do what I did. Throw out all views you ever heard, after hearing various views, and then approach the entire issue from a fresh out-of-the-box approach. Pray God direct your understanding with the bible. And really ask yourself WHY you believe certain verses propose any give thought, and honestly see if the bible really plainly says that. You should, you know, for you already know there is no gap in the bible. And without a gap, my view of Jesus in Dan 9:27 fits well. And that makes the CROSS THE FOCUS OF THE PROPHECY, whereas your view totally eradicates the cross from the picture.
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Nero did that in the first century and every Christian alive immediately thought of the beast and man of sin. In fact that was the FIRST interpretation of 2 Thess 2 for centuries, until someone else started a NEW idea.

But where does it say anything about confirming a covenant?



The coming prince has nothing to do with the covenant, becuase HE IS A SIDE ISSUE grammatically speaking, and not the subject. The MESSIAH is the subject in verse 26. Not the coming prince.

Daniel 9:26-27 KJV And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah (THE SUBJECT OF THE WRITING HERE) be cut off, but not for himself: and the people (SECONDARY ISSUE) of the prince that shall come (THIRD ISSUE, in line behind his (2) PEOPLE and the (1) MESSIAH) shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. (27) And he (THE MESSIAH) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week (Jesus died 3.5 years after He began preaching when He confirmed the covenant- GAL. 3:16-17): and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease (Jesus dies 3.5 years after he preaches and ceases sacrifices - Heb 10:1-2, 14), and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


See how scriptures say the identical things about the cross if we consider there is no gap and the cross is the only thing to occur without gap of years? I mean, who would think of a gap here anyway? That is ridiculous!

If there is no gap, as you admitted you had no bible for that, then after the 69 weeks JESUS COMES and MINISTERS. And this begins the 70th week. No gap. And 3.5 years later after Jesus ministers, he dies on the cross. That death caused sacrifices to cease.

If this is Jesus, like I say, and you say it is antichrist, then you might be in a whole lot of trouble with the Lord because Jesus said if you call the work of God to actually be the work of the devil, then that cannot be forgiven. And since you have no bible for a gap, then you had better take another serious look at all of this because with NO GAP THERE, it perfectly works out to be Jesus!




Nothing in 2 Thess 2 says anything about causing sacrifices to cease. Nothing. But my view literally has scripture that explicitly says Jesus' death caused sacrifices to cease, and that occurred 3.5 years after He first ministered. You even admit Jesus came after 69 weeks. So if there is no gap,. as you admit you have no bible for, then count as though there is no gap AND SEE HOW JESUS FITS THE PICTURE! And you are calling His work to be the work of the devil?????

Take a look again, easter.



That occurred in the same generation to whom Jesus spoke, in AD70, only forty years (same generation period) later.



Satan is indeed the prince of this world, but Jesus was talking about the CROSS and being crucified in this passage in John 14! the cross had not yet occurred in John 14, you know. So you are AGAIN removing the cross from the focal point in these verses now.



You got all this from man since the bible says nothing about a gap. So man told you about the gap, and you cannot find one verse that says the the man of sin causes sacrifices to cease. Do what I did. Throw out all views you ever heard, after hearing various views, and then approach the entire issue from a fresh out-of-the-box approach. Pray God direct your understanding with the bible. And really ask yourself WHY you believe certain verses propose any give thought, and honestly see if the bible really plainly says that. You should, you know, for you already know there is no gap in the bible. And without a gap, my view of Jesus in Dan 9:27 fits well. And that makes the CROSS THE FOCUS OF THE PROPHECY, whereas your view totally eradicates the cross from the picture.
Bro.Blume the problem I see here is this..
Daniel 9:26 After the sixty two "sevens" the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing,(THIS IS JESUS The people of the coming prince will come and destroy the city and the sanctuary.The end will come like a flood,War will continue until the end,and desolation's have been decreed.
WHO WAS THE PEOPLE WHO DESTROYED THE TEMPLE AND THE SANCTUARY? because these are the people of the coming prince.
You say the term coming prince here is not the same coming prince that Jesus spoke about in John 14:30 YOU SAY THAT BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT YOU BELIEVE BUT IT SUGGEST OTHER WISE IN THE WORD

Daniel 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'Seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering.And on a wing of the temple,he will set up an Abomination that causes Desolation,until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.
Jesus is not the one who set up an Abomination in the temple.If you say it is Jesus then you must know that anything in the word of God that speaks of Abomination is something that God utterly hates.
So I ask you Bro.Blume if Jesus is the one to confirm the covenant then what Abomination could he possibly have done?Jesus has no ending so why do you suppose it reads "UNTIL THE END THAT IS DECREED IS POURED OUT ON HIM?"
What decree could be for God?

See this is talking about the Lawlessness One.
I'll tell you why...
After the catching away of the Church there will be a seven year tribulation on the earth.Jesus said there has never been a time as bad as this period on the whole earth,nor will ever be Matthew 24
The tribulation will be for seven years and the beast(The man of Lawlessness)The AntiChrist comes on the scene and the first three and a half years people will say"Peace and Security".Then he will proclaim to the world he is God and will be killed by a mortal blow to the head.The false prophet will raise in back to life and the people will believe him.The false prophet will make the people worship the beast(ANTICHRIST) Read Revelation 13
The covenant spoken of in Daniel 9:27 Is the covenant made with Israel.
The covenant Jesus has made is for all that come to him.Jesus will cut that covenant when the Church and Holy Spirit(THE RESTRAINER) is taken out of the way.
For scripture concerning the restrainer( see 2 Thessalonians 2
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Bro.Blume the problem I see here is this..
Daniel 9:26 After the sixty two "sevens" the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing,(THIS IS JESUS
Right.

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The people of the coming prince will come and destroy the city and the sanctuary.The end will come like a flood,War will continue until the end,and desolation's have been decreed.
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WHO WAS THE PEOPLE WHO DESTROYED THE TEMPLE AND THE SANCTUARY? because these are the people of the coming prince.
They were the Romans. The coming prince was a Roman, Prince Titus, son of Vespasian the emperor. They came in AD70 and destroyed the city and temple.

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You say the term coming prince here is not the same coming prince that Jesus spoke about in John 14:30 YOU SAY THAT BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT YOU BELIEVE BUT IT SUGGEST OTHER WISE IN THE WORD
No, everyone knows the prince in John 14 is not the same prince in Dan 9. Everyone knows that the devil is the prince of this world. And John 14 spoke of the cross. Even pretribbers know that. Ask your pretrib friends and pastors. John 14 is not talking about dan 9. And I never thought it was anything different before I ever spoke to you. Easter, everyone knows John 14 is speaking of the devil.

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Daniel 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'Seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering.And on a wing of the temple,he will set up an Abomination that causes Desolation,until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

Jesus is not the one who set up an Abomination in the temple.If you say it is Jesus then you must know that anything in the word of God that speaks of Abomination is something that God utterly hates.
Which translation did you get that from?

"WING OF THE TEMPLE?"

Daniel 9:27 ASV And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate.

Daniel 9:27 ESV And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator."

Daniel 9:27 Geneva And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate.

A Hebrews MS., written in the thirteenth century, has ובהיכל יהיה שיקוץ ubeheychal yihyey shikkuts; that is, “And in the temple (of the Lord) there shall be abomination.”

This does not say the one who confirms the covenant causes an abomination. It just says that there will be an abonination occur later. This is what Jesus said in Matt 24:15.

Matthew 24:15 Geneva When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the Prophet, set in the holy place (let him that readeth consider it.)

It does not say the HE of Dan 9:27 causes this abomination.

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So I ask you Bro.Blume if Jesus is the one to confirm the covenant then what Abomination could he possibly have done?
It does not say the one who confirms the covenant cauases any abomination.

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Jesus has no ending so why do you suppose it reads "UNTIL THE END THAT IS DECREED IS POURED OUT ON HIM?"
Daniel 9:27 Geneva And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate.

Daniel 9:27 ASV And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate.

It does not say anything about the one who confirms a ceovnant has an end. It is speaking about the full end of the desolation wrath would be poured out.

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What decree could be for God?

See this is talking about the Lawlessness One.
I'll tell you why...
After the catching away of the Church there will be a seven year tribulation on the earth.
Where is that in the bible?

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Jesus said there has never been a time as bad as this period on the whole earth,nor will ever be Matthew 24
That was in AD70, and that is the reason the people ONLY IN JUDAEA AND JERUSALEM were told to flee to the mountains. Why only Jerusalem and Juadea? If this is worldwide tribulation, should not people in every nation flee to mountains? but Jesus said only those in Jerusalem and Judaea.

I know all the story line, Easter. So instead of repeating it, show me specific scriptures for each claim you make. If you clam this is the lawless one in Dan 9:27, then show me where the lawless one literally makes an abomination after the rapture.

I claim the lawless one was Nero.

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The tribulation will be for seven years and the beast(The man of Lawlessness)
Show me in scripture why you say the trib is seven years.

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The AntiChrist
You mean the beast, since there is no THE antichrist who is a man.

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comes on the scene and the first three and a half years people will say"Peace and Security".
I know the storyline. But you need to show me where the bible says the beast comes for 3.5 years with peace. You;re just making claims with no verses.

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Then he will proclaim to the world he is God and will be killed by a mortal blow
You tooko something from 12Thess 2 and claimed it was the beast there who had the mortal wound in Rev 13. But you are not proving the lawless one in 2 Thess 2 even is the beast of Rev 13.

That's like me taking parts of different bible stories and jumbling them altogether and saying, "Moses built an ark for 40 days and nights, and it rained for three days and nights. Then the mountain in Jerusalem split in the midst and the waters when to the east and west. Then the dove came to Elijah with an almond rod in his mouth and told him if he sees the dove arise, he shall receive manna every morning for forty years."

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to the head.The false prophet will raise in back to life and the people will believe him.The false prophet will make the people worship the beast(ANTICHRIST) Read Revelation 13
The covenant spoken of in Daniel 9:27 Is the covenant made with Israel.
It is not MAKING a covenant, but CONFIRMING one.

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The covenant Jesus has made is for all that come to him.Jesus will cut that covenant when the Church and Holy Spirit(THE RESTRAINER) is taken out of the way.
For scripture concerning the restrainer( see 2 Thessalonians 2
Who said the Holy Spirit is the restrainer? Not Paul. You have all these traditional claims but cannot prove them with what the bible actually says.

Thanks for your words.
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THIS IS HERESY!!!!!

This is the first time I have even looked at this thread!

Jesus is coming back SOON!!!!

Looka at the signs all around us!!!

Easter, I am with you! Look at the earthquakes that are happening!

Look at the violence and the perversion!

Also, look at what is happening in the Middle East, even as we write!

Not to mention the huge strides made towards the coming One World Government!

Look at what they are doing with the currencies!

Folks.... OPEN YOUR EYES!




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Monterrey., of course Jesus is coming back soon, Who said he wasn't??? (sigh)
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I thought you meant from the chats between me and easter.

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Right.



Right.



They were the Romans. The coming prince was a Roman, Prince Titus, son of Vespasian the emperor. They came in AD70 and destroyed the city and temple.



No, everyone knows the prince in John 14 is not the same prince in Dan 9. Everyone knows that the devil is the prince of this world. And John 14 spoke of the cross. Even pretribbers know that. Ask your pretrib friends and pastors. John 14 is not talking about dan 9. And I never thought it was anything different before I ever spoke to you. Easter, everyone knows John 14 is speaking of the devil.



Which translation did you get that from?

"WING OF THE TEMPLE?"

Daniel 9:27 ASV And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate.

Daniel 9:27 ESV And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator."

Daniel 9:27 Geneva And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate.

A Hebrews MS., written in the thirteenth century, has ובהיכל יהיה שיקוץ ubeheychal yihyey shikkuts; that is, “And in the temple (of the Lord) there shall be abomination.”

This does not say the one who confirms the covenant causes an abomination. It just says that there will be an abonination occur later. This is what Jesus said in Matt 24:15.

Matthew 24:15 Geneva When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the Prophet, set in the holy place (let him that readeth consider it.)

It does not say the HE of Dan 9:27 causes this abomination.



It does not say the one who confirms the covenant cauases any abomination.



Daniel 9:27 Geneva And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate.

Daniel 9:27 ASV And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate.

It does not say anything about the one who confirms a ceovnant has an end. It is speaking about the full end of the desolation wrath would be poured out.



Where is that in the bible?



That was in AD70, and that is the reason the people ONLY IN JUDAEA AND JERUSALEM were told to flee to the mountains. Why only Jerusalem and Juadea? If this is worldwide tribulation, should not people in every nation flee to mountains? but Jesus said only those in Jerusalem and Judaea.

I know all the story line, Easter. So instead of repeating it, show me specific scriptures for each claim you make. If you clam this is the lawless one in Dan 9:27, then show me where the lawless one literally makes an abomination after the rapture.

I claim the lawless one was Nero.



Show me in scripture why you say the trib is seven years.



You mean the beast, since there is no THE antichrist who is a man.



I know the storyline. But you need to show me where the bible says the beast comes for 3.5 years with peace. You;re just making claims with no verses.



You tooko something from 12Thess 2 and claimed it was the beast there who had the mortal wound in Rev 13. But you are not proving the lawless one in 2 Thess 2 even is the beast of Rev 13.

That's like me taking parts of different bible stories and jumbling them altogether and saying, "Moses built an ark for 40 days and nights, and it rained for three days and nights. Then the mountain in Jerusalem split in the midst and the waters when to the east and west. Then the dove came to Elijah with an almond rod in his mouth and told him if he sees the dove arise, he shall receive manna every morning for forty years."



It is not MAKING a covenant, but CONFIRMING one.



Who said the Holy Spirit is the restrainer? Not Paul. You have all these traditional claims but cannot prove them with what the bible actually says.

Thanks for your words.
Ok Bro.Blume you go ahead and believe that Nero was the lawlessness one.Why,because he claimed he was a God.
David Koresh believed he was Jesus and just like with Nero he was a nut.

Everyone knows that John 14;28-29 is talking about the cross.
John 14:30 is talking about the coming prince which is Satan and yes the coming prince is the same coming prince in Daniel 9:26 which is Satan.
Remember Blume we should let the Bible interpret itself.
YOU CAN NOT prove that the Lawlessness one spoken of in 2 Thessalonians 2 IS NOT the Beast spoken of in Revelation 13.You want proof that it's one in the same and I want proof that it's not.I also want proof that Nero was the coming prince spoke of by Daniel in Daniel 9:26.
You say you have proof and your proof is scripture and so is mine but where does it say in the word of God that Nero was the fulfillment of Daniel's prophesy?WHERE
Show me where I have jumbled scripture?In case you don't get it?It's cross referencing and I am really looking forward to you proving that the lawlessness one in 2 Thessalonians is not the beast in Revelation 13
You don't believe the AntiChrist will be a man?Why you don't believe that people can get the devil in them
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THIS IS HERESY!!!!!

This is the first time I have even looked at this thread!

Jesus is coming back SOON!!!!

Looka at the signs all around us!!!

Easter, I am with you! Look at the earthquakes that are happening!

Look at the violence and the perversion!

Also, look at what is happening in the Middle East, even as we write!

Not to mention the huge strides made towards the coming One World Government!

Look at what they are doing with the currencies!

Folks.... OPEN YOUR EYES!




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Old 11-23-2009, 07:27 PM
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Re: The catching away

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease and for the overspreading of abominations he will make it desolate even until the consummation and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Still means he defiles God's temple,whether it's on the wing or on the alter,It's defiled and left desolate because Satan entered in and defiled God's temple by claiming to be God.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way,for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the MAN of lawlessness is revealed,the man doomed to destruction .(4)He will exalt himself over everything that is God or is worshiped,so that he sets himself up in God's temple,proclaiming himself to be God.

2 Thessalonians 2:5 Don't you remember that when I was with you I used to you tell you these things.(6) And now you know what is holding him back,so that he may be revealed at the proper time.(7) For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work,but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.And the lawlessness one will be revealed ,to whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.(9) The coming of the lawlessness one will be in accordance with the work of satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit mircles,signs and wonders,

Revelation 13:13 And he performed great and miraculous signs,even causing fire to come from heaven to earth in full view of men.(14)Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast,he deceived the inhabitants of the earth.He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the first beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived.(15) He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast,so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.
This is all prophesy concerning the Lawless Beast
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