Isaiah 3 and jewelry... - Page 31

Mirth1981 · #**301** 07-13-2010, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

Let's take this one step at a time.

The answer to that question of why someone would wear jewelry and makeup is obvious and is given in Jeremiah 4:30. The answer is that women wear jewelry and makeup to appear fair/beautiful.

The real question is what motivates a woman to want to appear fair/beautiful? Does she want to appear fair/beautiful for the same reasons that a harlot does (to attract men for the purpose of sex)? Or does she want to appear fair/beautiful for other reasons?

I think that every woman has a natural instinct to try to make herself appear beautiful, and not just in order to be sexually appealing. Girls/women like to feel pretty, and part of that is "adorning" themselves. When I was a little girl, I loved to play dress-up and put on my mom's lipstick and jewelry. I know it's hard for a lot of guys to understand this about women, and thus it's been easy to demonize over the years.

Even UPC girls find legal ways to adorn themselves, often with methods that contradict their own standards. And girls will always find ways to get around the rules. "Can't wear jewelry? Well, I'll just wear it in my hair and call it a 'headband'." "Can't wear makeup? Well, I'll just wear tinted Clearasil or fake tanner and shiny lipgloss" "Can't have the latest hairstyle? Well, I'll just have the most elaborate hairstyle I can come up with, and people will still ooh and ahh." And on and on it goes....

I know a woman that has been in the UPC for over twenty years, and she recently admitted that she felt like a part of her womanhood had been taken away from her when she joined the UPC, because she could no longer do the girly things she had always done before to make herself feel pretty.

Jeffrey · #**302** 07-13-2010, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rdp

Then you will have no problem w/ my nose-rings Sun. morn...right Mike??

O' consistency thou art a jewel [not to be worn, of course

!

No problem with your nose rings. I would have a problem with your Phariseeical heart though.

rdp · #**303** 07-13-2010, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

No braids?? Well, at least your consistent.

And what is "expensive clothing?" Do you wear a suit to church?

No more than a $60-$70 suit.

Jeffrey, I couldn't agree more about the inconsistency of ostentatiousness pentecost & the goofy hair-do's. It really irks me to see the inconsistencies, but would simply add that inconsistency is not tantamount to invalidation. For es., some claim repentance from dead works, yet we see fruit otherwise...does this mean that we should stop teaching repentance? Of course not. At the least we should agree that jewelry is not cast ina favorable light in the NT [or the OT in a literal ornamental sense].

Jeffrey · #**304** 07-13-2010, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rdp

No more than a $60-$70 suit.

Jeffrey, I couldn't agree more about the inconsistency of ostentatiousness pentecost & the goofy hair-do's. It really irks me to see the inconsistencies, but would simply add that inconsistency is not tantamount to invalidation. For es., some claim repentance from dead works, yet we see fruit otherwise...does this mean that we should stop teaching repentance? Of course not. At the least we should agree that jewelry is not cast ina favorable light in the NT [or the OT in a literal ornamental sense].

Can you post a picture of how we should look to be saved?

Why even a suit? It represents richness, the fraud of Wall Street, and to the majority of the world is an excess?

rdp · #**305** 07-13-2010, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

No problem with your nose rings. I would have a problem with your Phariseeical heart though.

God tries the reins of the heart...not Jeffrey!

Are you serious? You would have no problem w/ me preaching in nosre rings? What about a tongue ring? Good grief people!

Jeffrey · #**306** 07-13-2010, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by rdp

God tries the reins of the heart...not Jeffrey!

Are you serious? You would have no problem w/ me preaching in nosre rings? What about a tongue ring? Good grief people!

Nope. Tongue ring, nose ring. Fact is, it wouldn't move my decision to have you preach. I wouldn't have you preach because #1 I'm not in community with you, and #2 I wouldn't trust your presentation of the Gospel to my congregation.

Rings in your body parts are quite irrelevant to me. And FTR, I've never dealt with anyone with over-the-top jewlery in our community.

rdp · #**307** 07-13-2010, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Can you post a picture of how we should look to be saved?

Why even a suit? It represents richness, the fraud of Wall Street, and to the majority of the world is an excess?

Most of the time, when I preach I simply wear a white shirt [minus a tie when I can get away w/ it!] & slacks. I'm not there to look good...I'm there to see people transformed into the image of Christ!

Jeffrey · #**308** 07-13-2010, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rdp

Most of the time, when I preach I simply wear a white shirt [minus a tie when I can get away w/ it!] & slacks. I'm not there to look good...I'm there to see people transformed into the image of Christ!

Why even wear a suit though? The majority of the world considers it "costly array?"

I like your attitude of "not being there to look good" btw. I actually agree!

But what is not my intent or purpose doesn't necessarily mean I don't groom myself to look presentable.

rdp · #**309** 07-13-2010, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Nope. Tongue ring, nose ring. Fact is, it wouldn't move my decision to have you preach. I wouldn't have you preach because #1 I'm not in community with you, and #2 I wouldn't trust your presentation of the Gospel to my congregation.

Rings in your body parts are quite irrelevant to me. And FTR, I've never dealt with anyone with over-the-top jewlery in our community.

No worries Jeffrey...I wouldn't be interested in preaching for you anyway. You'd only explain away the Word of God to fit your lifestyle anyway!

Oh, by the way, the Gospel includes walking in a new, clean way of life [ressurrected after a death to worldliness]....YOU are the one who does understand the Gospel concept of a new life [Ressurrection]!

rdp · #**310** 07-13-2010, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Why even wear a suit though? The majority of the world considers it "costly array?"

I like your attitude of "not being there to look good" btw. I actually agree!

But what is not my intent or purpose doesn't necessarily mean I don't groom myself to look presentable.

Good to see that we can finally agree on something. I also believe that we need to look presentable. A $50 suit from Wal-mart does not qualify as "costly".