I think many people subconciously jump on the standards bandwagon because they can't believe salvation is easy to obtain. Deep down inside people think they have to "earn" their salvation. People worshipping non-biblical standards have no better chance of making heaven than the catholics in third world countries who flog themselves each year around easter.
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Okay, okay, I can't help it. Why don't we all live our own way, go down our own road, and even though the roads are different, they will all eventually lead to the same place; HEAVEN!!!!! YAY!!!!!! Does anyone one know how stupid this sounds. Anyone who believes in holiness, knows that there are some on a different plataue than others, but there is only one way into heaven, and at some point we must all travel the same road whether I am 50 miles ahead of you or not. We will all grow at some point, and this includes what everyone here calls STANDARDS! I'mm not sending anyone to hell, but there is only one road that leads to heaven, and it is a straight and narrow one at that.
I think many people subconciously jump on the standards bandwagon because they can't believe salvation is easy to obtain. Deep down inside people think they have to "earn" their salvation. People worshipping non-biblical standards have no better chance of making heaven than the catholics in third world countries who flog themselves each year around easter.
I think people sub-cosciencly try to make good reasons to look as worldly as possible, because they are simply that; people with a carnal nature that they must die out to, but don't want to.
There isn't nothing worldly about modesty or separation of gender. But that ecompasses a whole lot more than pants and skirts or their length. Modesty is like obscenity. One can't define oscenity, but the average person knows it when they see it. One can't define modesty, but the average person person knows modesty when they see it. Leave it to a preacher to make a rulebook out of a principle.
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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman
I think people sub-cosciencly try to make good reasons to look as worldly as possible, because they are simply that; people with a carnal nature that they must die out to, but don't want to.
Okay, okay, I can't help it. Why don't we all live our own way, go down our own road, and even though the roads are different, they will all eventually lead to the same place; HEAVEN!!!!! YAY!!!!!! Does anyone one know how stupid this sounds. Anyone who believes in holiness, knows that there are some on a different plataue than others, but there is only one way into heaven, and at some point we must all travel the same road whether I am 50 miles ahead of you or not. We will all grow at some point, and this includes what everyone here calls STANDARDS! I'mm not sending anyone to hell, but there is only one road that leads to heaven, and it is a straight and narrow one at that.
The problem is, you are speaking as a man, who's only basic standard is to dress modestly.
Why can't the same rule apply to women as well?
Why don't we see any Biblical example of people following standards as defined by the UPC?
Why don't all preachers and pastors agree on what 'holiness standards' even are?
I see a lot of problems with standards teachings. There aren't any problems with teaching modesty and moderation.
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There isn't nothing worldly about modesty or separation of gender. But that ecompasses a whole lot more than pants and skirts or their length. Modesty is like obscenity. One can't define oscenity, but the average person knows it when they see it. One can't define modesty, but the average person person knows modesty when they see it. Leave it to a preacher to make a rulebook out of a principle.
Funny, that you would be the one to define holiness. I have yet to define it. Leave it to a layperson to think he knows what the preacher is saying.
Did I say anything about holiness or is this one of the classical swerves conservatives are known for? There is a difference between holiness and standards. I know standards and holiness mean the same to you. Fortunately they are two different animals to God.
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Funny, that you would be the one to define holiness. I have yet to define it. Leave it to a layperson to think he knows what the preacher is saying.
With the exception of Ruth Reider Ginsburg (or whatever the new last name is) Standards have been defined by men.
LOL! It's Harvey. And she's not defined standards. She just teaches that women with uncut hair have power with the angels, which is unbiblical totally.
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The hair issue is part of the clonehead mentality.
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LOL! It's Harvey. And she's not defined standards. She just teaches that women with uncut hair have power with the angels, which is unbiblical totally.
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