I'm not a "younger voter" nor a "poor American." Not that being young or poor makes one an unqualified voter. And, I'm not a McCain fan, but I don't like Obama at ALL, nor his wife, and I can't stand his running mate.
As far as I'm concerned John McCain made a brilliant choice. She represents youth, femininity, intelligence, family, and she is obviously charismatic--all things that JM is not. Therefore they will make a good team, and balance one another out.
Btw, the Democrats are also sorely underestimating the power of sweet and pretty. Princess Di anyone? I guarantee you there are some Democrats who are going to tell their D friends they are voting Obama, but they are going to go into that voting booth and secretly cast a ballot for the Pretty Woman.
LOL. You think abortion is all that matters? I also care about being an independent country, gun rights, small government, etc., just like many other Americans. However, the immorality of abortion usually is a big concern, as it should be. I'm baffled at how anyone can look past abortion. As a Christian, my first concern must be my conscience, and my pocketbook HAS to come second.
I find it hilarious (Guiliani referenced this last night) that Democrats want to choose where your children go to school instead of allowing parents to make that decision, but those same parents are granted the right to "choose" whether their child lives or dies prior to birth.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the Democrats' "gloves coming off", and how Palin will respond.
I find it interesting how some closet Christian Democrats are using the existence of abortion rights to vote for Democrats who support abortion rights on the premise that Republicans aren't doing enough to prevent abortion. The one major thing that has been done since the Clinton term is the ban placed on partial-birth abortions--and thank God for small favors. It's really just a reverse-psychology excuse to vote who you were already going to vote for and try to invalidate the Abortion issue.[/B]
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I'm not a "younger voter" nor a "poor American." Not that being young or poor makes one an unqualified voter. And, I'm not a McCain fan, but I don't like Obama at ALL, nor his wife, and I can't stand his running mate.
As far as I'm concerned John McCain made a brilliant choice. She represents youth, femininity, intelligence, family, and she is obviously charismatic--all things that JM is not. Therefore they will make a good team, and balance one another out.
Btw, the Democrats are also sorely underestimating the power of sweet and pretty. Princess Di anyone? I guarantee you there are some Democrats who are going to tell their D friends they are voting Obama, but they are going to go into that voting booth and secretly cast a ballot for the Pretty Woman.
LOL. You think abortion is all that matters? I also care about being an independent country, gun rights, small government, etc., just like many other Americans. However, the immorality of abortion usually is a big concern, as it should be. I'm baffled at how anyone can look past abortion. As a Christian, my first concern must be my conscience, and my pocketbook HAS to come second.
I find it hilarious (Guiliani referenced this last night) that Democrats want to choose where your children go to school instead of allowing parents to make that decision, but those same parents are granted the right to "choose" whether their child lives or dies prior to birth.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the Democrats' "gloves coming off", and how Palin will respond.
I find it interesting how some closet Christian Democrats are using the existence of abortion rights to vote for Democrats who support abortion rights on the premise that Republicans aren't doing enough to prevent abortion. The one major thing that has been done since the Clinton term is the ban placed on partial-birth abortions--and thank God for small favors. It's really just a reverse-psychology excuse to vote who you were already going to vote for and try to invalidate the Abortion issue.
My biggest problem with the abortion issue is that the amount that we hear about it and the amount of importance that is placed on it during the election cycle is vastly disproportionate to the amount that we hear about it and the importance placed on it during the actual administration of those who won office in large part due to it. It is usually a top two vocal point in the election...and nowhere near that during the administration. After enough decades of this, it begins to feel like politicking to people like me. It begins to appear as a smokescreen used to offset the fact that they are running the country in a way that totally contradicts our conservative ideals and prolife believes. I'm talking about them using it as a hot button issue, but all the while not doing what we would like about immigration, fiscal issues, the issues with big business, the way they manage the war, etc...
MissB, I know that you are a masterful poster and your every phrase is carefully thought out, So it is particularly interesting that you call Christians who would vote Democratic "closet Christians". That has been the lever that has been successfully used for decades now. I believe that if any party had been running so prominently on any other issue where success and failure could be so easily substantiated and documented, and delivered the kinds of results that have been delivered in the area of abortion, the rug would have been snatched out from under them years ago. The fact that they can tie this in to our morality and Christianity is the only reason they have gotten away with this for this long.
The issue is that a lot of the partisan talking points do not work on my generation...(in church, in society, and in politics). The Republicans will have a difficult time winning younger people with their traditional approach.
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My biggest problem with the abortion issue is that the amount that we hear about it and the amount of importance that is placed on it during the election cycle is vastly disproportionate to the amount that we hear about it and the importance placed on it during the actual administration of those who won office in large part due to it. It is usually a top two vocal point in the election...and nowhere near that during the administration. After enough decades of this, it begins to feel like politicking to people like me. It begins to appear as a smokescreen used to offset the fact that they are running the country in a way that totally contradicts our conservative ideals and prolife believes. I'm talking about them using it as a hot button issue, but all the while not doing what we would like about immigration, fiscal issues, the issues with big business, the way they manage the war, etc...
MissB, I know that you are a masterful poster and your every phrase is carefully thought out, So it is particularly interesting that you call Christians who would vote Democratic "closet Christians". That has been the lever that has been successfully used for decades now. I believe that if any party had been running so prominently on any other issue where success and failure could be so easily substantiated and documented, and delivered the kinds of results that have been delivered in the area of abortion, the rug would have been snatched out from under them years ago. The fact that they can tie this in to our morality and Christianity is the only reason they have gotten away with this for this long.
The issue is that a lot of the partisan talking points do not work on my generation...(in church, in society, and in politics). The Republicans will have a difficult time winning younger people with their traditional approach.
I disagree with you, tstew. One the first accomplishments of the Bush administration was to ban partial birth abortions. The rest is tied up for all kinds of legal reasons, but that doesn't mean efforts aren't consistently being made. If it were up to the Democrats (and a Democratic president), the issue of abortion would be a non-issue, and would not be addressed whatsoever, except to say, "Carte blanche."
The lack of legislative accomplishment in regard to abortion prevention is due to Democrats deliberately standing in the WAY of such change--not because the Republicans aren't giving it their best shot. I cannot, in good conscience, vote for someone who deliberately opposes the right of an unborn child to have God-given life. I am equally unhappy with those who ride the fence on the issue, i.e., Pro-Choice.
Also, I didn't say Christian Democrats were "closet Christians." I said "Closet Christian Democrats." There's a difference, and it is that many Christian Democrats adopt a publicly conservative, republican view, but then find loopholes for voting for their Democratic candidate. If you want to vote for or express support for a Democrat, do it for a reason other than Republicans lack of action on abortion, because that is a lame-duck argument. (Due to obvious evidence of action against abortion by Republicans and Republican leaders.) And if a person is a Democrat, they should just say so.
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I disagree with you, tstew. One the first accomplishments of the Bush administration was to ban partial birth abortions. The rest is tied up for all kinds of legal reasons, but that doesn't mean efforts aren't consistently being made. If it were up to the Democrats (and a Democratic president), the issue of abortion would be a non-issue, and would not be addressed whatsoever, except to say, "Carte blanche."
The lack of legislative accomplishment in regard to abortion prevention is due to Democrats deliberately standing in the WAY of such change--not because the Republicans aren't giving it their best shot. I cannot, in good conscience, vote for someone who deliberately opposes the right of an unborn child to have God-given life. I am equally unhappy with those who ride the fence on the issue, i.e., Pro-Choice.
MissB, obviously partial birth abortions are a tremendously horrible thing, and it appears that almost 100% of Americans do not like it as an option. The last number that I saw placed partial birth abortions at .17% of all abortions. So apparently even the people who are so pro-choice that they would actually have an abortion are not licking their chops to have partial birth abortions.
I say that to say this. If abortion is murder, focusing on the .17% of partial birth abortions is to me like having 1 million ten-year-olds killed and focusing on the .17% that were killed by firing squad and not on the 99.83% that were murdered by lethal injection.
I do stand by my observation that I do not hear about abortion anywhere near the porportion of times during actual governance as I do during this time of the election cycle.
I don't really have the time to retype it all, but I do stand by what I said earlier about the moral majority not being active enough and demanding much more than rhetoric during the period of time that abortion was not as much of the norm as it is today.
I also am waiting for the specific promises that the GOP is making to me reagrding their clear and concise gameplan to end abortion.
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16 years ago I knew a teenage boy and a teenage girl that were in that position and it is not an easy thing. The sacrifices that have to be made from a single mistake are enormous, the shame and attitude of people in the church is downright disgusting. Abortion is the easy way out. Try living on minimum wage because you dropped out of college to marry and raise that baby, try going back to school when everyone is 10 years younger than you and you are coaching little league rather than studying. Try telling your 15 year old that it's not God's plan to have sex outside of marriage at the same time your telling him that his parents were expecting when they got married.
Teen pregnancy is no joke, and I do take it personally.
Thank you Baron, that is absolutely the truth. And a lot of people in this situation raise great kids!!!!!
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MissB, obviously partial birth abortions are a tremendously horrible thing, and it appears that almost 100% of Americans do not like it as an option. The last number that I saw placed partial birth abortions at .17% of all abortions. So apparently even the people who are so pro-choice that they would actually have an abortion are not licking their chops to have partial birth abortions.
I say that to say this. If abortion is murder, focusing on the .17% of partial birth abortions is to me like having 1 million ten-year-olds killed and focusing on the .17% that were killed by firing squad and not on the 99.83% that were murdered by lethal injection.
I do stand by my observation that I do not hear about abortion anywhere near the porportion of times during actual governance as I do during this time of the election cycle.
I don't really have the time to retype it all, but I do stand by what I said earlier about the moral majority not being active enough and demanding much more than rhetoric during the period of time that abortion was not as much of the norm as it is today.
I also am waiting for the specific promises that the GOP is making to me regarding their clear and concise gameplan to end abortion.
I agree they are not active enough. And that is why I am so supportive of Sarah Palin. She is a definite conservative plus to John McCain's more watered down version.
However, I would have to point out that if making firing squads illegal saved the lives of 17,000 children per year, then that would be positive progress, even if the other 983,000 were still in danger. You have to keep in mind: WHO is it, exactly, who is deliberately placing the other 983,000 children in danger? And who is denouncing their murders and trying to change laws to prevent it, albeit with the supporters standing in the way?
Look, I do not make political decisions based on abortion alone. I have voted for Republicans, Democrats and Independents. However, I would be lying if I said it is not important to me, and I do consider it heavily. On this issue, my main problem with Obama is not that he is pro-choice, but that he seems to favor abortion, which is a sentiment I cannot even remotely support. However, there are a myriad of other issues that I also consider, and I do resent the implication that I decide who to vote for based on this issue alone. (Not by you necessarily, but just in general.) That said, those who do make it the deciding factor have to vote according to their consciences, and I do not disrespect them for it, as the liberal media would have me to do.
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I like her, I wish she was running, lose , MeCain's!
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I find it interesting how some closet Christian Democrats are using the existence of abortion rights to vote for Democrats who support abortion rights on the premise that Republicans aren't doing enough to prevent abortion. The one major thing that has been done since the Clinton term is the ban placed on partial-birth abortions--and thank God for small favors. It's really just a reverse-psychology excuse to vote who you were already going to vote for and try to invalidate the Abortion issue.
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As I stated, I do not support abortion, nor do I believe it's going away. Eight years of Bush and promises, still we have killing of babies. The president and congresses job is to up hold the people voice and wants on matters, their voice has been loud and clear, abortion not going away anytime soon!
I actually don't. It doesn't look like anyone answered the question I put out there...
And I didn't want to assume.
Maybe I'm slow putting 2+2 together...but I'll ask again anyway: is Aquila the old Christopher Hall from not too long ago?
(I'm almost hoping they're not the same person. While Chris Hall could be difficult and almost hard-headed at times, this Aquila is more than that... Too often, especially with his gratuitous name-calling, I've found him to be unnecessarily harsh, offensive, and just plain rude.)
Never mind... No answer needed on this.
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I like her, I wish she was running, lose , MeCain's!
As I stated, I do not support abortion, nor do I believe it's going away. Eight years of Bush and promises, still we have killing of babies. The president and congresses job is to up hold the people voice and wants on matters, their voice has been loud and clear, abortion not going away anytime soon!
It will not ever go away, if Democrats have their way. Btw, you didn't answer my question, earlier, in post #300.
As for the people's voice: I would be happy to have the country vote on abortion rights.
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"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
1. Unwanted pregnancies are NOT a problem the government should solve. Talk about a personal matter. LOL!!!!
I agree, but the reality is they do get involved. Every paid check you make help to fund abortions in this country, it's big money!
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2. What on earth are you referring to in the comment: "Conservative women will be able to get safer abortions(which have always been available under another title)?
Abortions has always existed. Women of wealth will have the means to pay for one, fly to Europe, or pay a doctor to say it was a miscarriage, like in the olden days, everyone has a price! The poor will always have the back ally.
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