Revisiting the "PANTS" Issue

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by StMark

I'm not sure what brought about the change in Sodom but the devil has used hollywood in our times. agree? The heart doesn't just change out of nowhere. It's effected by our 5 senses, what we see, hear, taste, etc.

The devil doesn't need Hollywood anymore than God needs Anthony Mangun.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Eddie rarely wears a suit when he preaches anymore - only on Easter or baby dedications or ordination services, etc. We have had so many people come into church who have commented on the fact that he seems so much more accessible than any other preachers that they know, because of the way he is dressed.
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How about a clergy collar?

[CC1]

Originally Posted by StMark

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Why do the conservatives avoid this topic like the plauge yet still enforce this as rule of fellowship and even salvation?? I'm not getting it!

I can name a long list of women on this forum who wear dresses only but wouldn't dare discuss it. WHY????????????????? I don't get that!

Is it because they don't know why they do it ???


You all have to understand that it was engrained in my genes. boys don't wear dresses and skirts and little girls have their own things they wear and don't wear. I'm trying to get use to the idea that it's left up to the individual to decide. no more cultural distinctions are necessary.

I also find it hyprocritical that most of you would allow your girls to wear jeans that still LOOK and PERTAIN to a boys pants but would freak out if the boy wore the jean jumper... made for a male of course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

St. Matt, I hope you will realy step back for a moment and rethink your logic in the part of your post I have highlighted.

There is as much difference in mens pants and women's pants as there is in mens shirts and womens blouses.

Your example of being hypocritical is not valid because there are styles within types of clothing that culturally at this time are worn by one sex and not the other.

For example capri pants are a female subgroup within "pants" as apparel. In the case of capri's they are a female version of pants.

Your logic does not hold. For one to say there is no biblical injunction against a woman wearing slacks does not mean one cannot have objection to a man wearing women's clothing whether it is a dress or a form of pants like carpi
s that are feminine.

You are the perfect example of conditioning when it comes to this subject. Good ole circular logic!

[StMark]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Mark, were you alive in the 50's? I wasn't. What they did back then doesn't apply to today. It makes no more sense than talking about what they dressed like in 1850. That's what I'm trying to make you understand.

But I disagree with your last statement. It's not what we put on that changes us inside, but it's the change inside that makes us different on the outside.

Mark, do you realize that we (general 'we') blame what people dress like in regard to the negative, but do we ever suggest that someone 'got religion' because they started dressing in 'holiness' attire?

Of course not! Why? Because it has to start with the heart.

You cannot convince me that Sodom and Gomorrah were vile because of how those people dressed. The Bible makes no such claim about any evil society in regard to their dress or other influences. They didn't have TV, they didn't have Hollywood. But they did have evil hearts. So do we.

And it's out of the heart that these issues are manifested. Yes, we are dealing with Heart issues that become specific problems of our day and time. Dress is only one small topic of a broader problem.

I think that the inward man changes the outward but I believe the outward can change the inward. I gave some suits to a poor man once and when he wore got dressed up and came to church it changed his whole attitude ( for the good)

[StMark]

Originally Posted by CC1

St. Matt, I hope you will realy step back for a moment and rethink your logic in the part of your post I have highlighted.

There is as much difference in mens pants and women's pants as there is in mens shirts and womens blouses.

Your example of being hypocritical is not valid because there are styles within types of clothing that culturally at this time are worn by one sex and not the other.

For example capri pants are a female subgroup within "pants" as apparel. In the case of capri's they are a female version of pants.

Your logic does not hold. For one to say there is no biblical injunction against a woman wearing slacks does not mean one cannot have objection to a man wearing women's clothing whether it is a dress or a form of pants like carpi
s that are feminine.

You are the perfect example of conditioning when it comes to this subject. Good ole circular logic!

I agree that a man wearing a capri would be look ridiculous. However, are their any Dresses that only a man could wear that a woman would look ridiculous in ????

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by StMark

And it's out of the heart that these issues are manifested. Yes, we are dealing with Heart issues that become specific problems of our day and time. Dress is only one small topic of a broader problem.

I think that the inward man changes the outward but I believe the outward can change the inward. I gave some suits to a poor man once and when he wore got dressed up and came to church it changed his whole attitude ( for the good)

The outward won't happen without a change in the heart.

The poor man had it in his heart but not his wallet. The clothes didn't change him nor his attitude. It was already there.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

The outward won't happen without a change in the heart.

The poor man had it in his heart but not his wallet. The clothes didn't change him nor his attitude. It was already there.

NO, you're wrong on this one HO. the clothes did change his attitude and also his perception of himself. It gave him a greater desire to acheive and made him feel better about himself.

[rrford]

The topic of this thread reminds me of the boy who came home from school looking all depressed and discouraged.

His father asked him "Do you have a problem?" The boy quickly responded "I have 12 problems. Arithmetic."

The concerned father asked to see the problems and asked how he could help.

The son said "We have to find the common denominator of each of these problems"

The father looked up incredulous. He scratched his head and said "Whoooeeeee! Ya'll still looking for that thing? We was looking for that when I was a kid."

The more things change the more they stay the same.

[StMark]

Ummmm, I've seen 3 posters now that said they was done with AFF and moving to another forum.... Nevermind, that's another topic. Let's stick to the pants issue afterall

[CC1]

Originally Posted by StMark

I agree that a man wearing a capri would be look ridiculous. However, are their any Dresses that only a man could wear that a woman would look ridiculous in ????

Cultural relativism has to be taken into consideration. While your or me would never consider wearing a "skirt" in Scotland a kilt, which is essentially a skirt, is considered very masculine. That is their culture. I don't see that happening in America anytime soon thank heavens!