I Corinthians 3:14-15 says in the NKJV "If anyones work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyones work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
This scripture teaches us that the reward is not SALVATION, which scripture teaches is a free gift, but a reward for faithful service. (So if one has received salvation for example through a women preacher, no they will not be lost. We know that salvation is the water way which is being born of the water (water baptism in Jesus Name) and of the Spirit (being born of the Holy Ghost wich initially is eveident by speaking in other tongues).
Moving on, verse 15 talks about a loss! The loss is the reward the builder (i.e. women preacher for example) might have received, not his salvation. This person will have a narrow escape, like someone fleeing froma burning building, who looses all of his possessions and saves only his life.
When I say a woman preachers works will be burned, it means although she might have salvation (FREE GIFT) she is not going to get a reward for the works she did on earth because she was never called to preach (in essence, she does not get to have the rewards male pastors will get who were pastors) yet she still will be saved. Mind you, she might get rewards for other services she might have done on earth but NOT for being a women preacher. That is reserved for male clergy.
Matthew 28:20 does not commission one to PREACH! It is a comission to make disciples which all are able to do both male and female.
Ephesians 4:11 NKJV says "And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelist andsome pastors and teachers" Key word is SOME which means everyone will not have these callings.
We find in in Titus 1:5-6 who those some are. An Elder / Bishop is the husband of one wife. (MALES) See also 1 Timothy 3
We find in Titus 2:3-4 Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children. (WOMAN CAN DO THIS)
I will not be answering any more questions in regards to this matter because I have explained my belief according to the Word. Understanding, you are going to believe what you want to believe regardless of what I say or do. I've given you what you want which is an explanation of my belief and I would like to move on. No reason to taunt, as I can tell thats what your doing. You keep pressing the issue wanting to know why I said what I said, now you have it. For what its worth, I like this board, and it looks like I might even gain a few friendships. Lets move on to perfecting holiness (yea God!!!!)
Thank you!!!!!!!!!!
This is all I was asking for!!!!!!!!!!! There are some who teach that if a person is "saved" under a woman's ministry they are not really saved, I just wanted to know if this was your belief, and you've answered eloquently.
However, this raises another question, one that I'm sincerely curious about.
What kind of rewards do you feel that a male pastor will have in heaven that a female pastor won't have, and please share the scriptures that back this premise up? And, I'm not taunting, I was pressing you to explain yourself, and you did.
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This is all I was asking for!!!!!!!!!!! There are some who teach that if a person is "saved" under a woman's ministry they are not really saved, I just wanted to know if this was your belief, and you've answered eloquently.
However, this raises another question, one that I'm sincerely curious about.
What kind of rewards do you feel that a male pastor will have in heaven that a female pastor won't have, and please share the scriptures that back this premise up? And, I'm not taunting, I was pressing you to explain yourself, and you did.
This is all I was asking for!!!!!!!!!!! There are some who teach that if a person is "saved" under a woman's ministry they are not really saved, I just wanted to know if this was your belief, and you've answered eloquently.
However, this raises another question, one that I'm sincerely curious about.
What kind of rewards do you feel that a male pastor will have in heaven that a female pastor won't have, and please share the scriptures that back this premise up? And, I'm not taunting, I was pressing you to explain yourself, and you did.
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Originally Posted by PraiseHymn
I will not be answering any more questions in regards to this matter because I have explained my belief according to the Word. Understanding, you are going to believe what you want to believe regardless of what I say or do. I've given you what you want which is an explanation of my belief and I would like to move on. No reason to taunt, as I can tell thats what your doing.You keep pressing the issue wanting to know why I said what I said, now you have it. For what its worth, I like this board, and it looks like I might even gain a few friendships. Lets move on to perfecting holiness (yea God!!!!)
Dan your problem is that all these commissioned were MEN not one woman included. That is the problem I see with women preachers(and yes I do believe there are many good godly women who have done good for the kingdom of God) there is NOT one example or command given to women to preach(that preach or teach in a public assembly to men). The qualifications are masculine in nature thus they are gender prohibited and NOT ONE woman is NAMED serving in the 5-fold ministry. It just is not scriptural.
Imagine if your principle was applied in other instances.
Example: Christ only instructed commemorating the Lord's Supper to the 12.
Does this mean it was just for the 12 or just for men?
No instructions are given solely to witness/preach on the qualification of being male ... in Scripture either. Yet we see practical examples of women in Scripture winning people to the Lord and ministering in the house churches of the book of Acts and epistles.
Imagine if your principle was applied in other instances.
Example: Christ only instructed commemorating the Lord's Supper to the 12.
Does this mean it was just for the 12 or just for men?
No instructions are given solely to witness/preach on the qualification of being male ... in Scripture either. Yet we see practical examples of women in Scripture winning people to the Lord and ministering in the house churches of the book of Acts and epistles.
Dan your problem is that all these commissioned were MEN not one woman included. That is the problem I see with women preachers(and yes I do believe there are many good godly women who have done good for the kingdom of God) there is NOT one example or command given to women to preach(that preach or teach in a public assembly to men). The qualifications are masculine in nature thus they are gender prohibited and NOT ONE woman is NAMED serving in the 5-fold ministry. It just is not scriptural.
So, to follow your line of reasoning here, Elder, does this mean that only men can be saved?
John 7:35
And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
John 7:37 (Whole Chapter)
In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
And, does this mean that only men should pray?
1 Timothy 2:8 (Whole Chapter)
I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
Does this mean that only men shall inherit eternal salvation?
Revelation 21:7 (Whole Chapter) He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
These qualifications are masculine in nature and are gender specific, and not ONE woman is named in these scriptures.
__________________ "Many people view their relationship with God like a "color by number" picture. It's easier to let someone else define the boundaries, tell them which blanks to fill in, and what color to use than it is for them to take a blank canvas and seek inspiration from the Source in order to paint their own masterpiece"
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