I can tell if a dance is a worldy (notice I didn't say dirty, just worldy or secular) dance mainly because it is choreographed or taught. I submit that choreographed and taught dances in AMERICA were on the dance floor before they were in our churches. In the 26 years I have been living for the Lord, I have NEVER seen a choreographed or learned dance routine in a church service. I will give you your stick ministry. The only one I have ever witnessed brought tears to my eyes, and I truly felt the Holy Ghost; but have you ever seen a stick ministry in the world?? I haven't. Maybe it's out there and I don't know about it, but I have not been subject to a stick performance in a worldy setting.
I have, however, seen stepping in the world. They have step classes perform all the time during our county festivals or what not during the year. They are not being dirty or provocative in any fashion, but I did see these routines first in a secular environment. Hence, I draw the conclusion that we have learned out step routines from the world.
Don't you believe that the Jews used choreographed dancing before the Lord? Miriam LED the women in a dance; that signifies it was orderly and not just free dancing.
I can tell if a dance is a worldy (notice I didn't say dirty, just worldy or secular) dance mainly because it is choreographed or taught. I submit that choreographed and taught dances in AMERICA were on the dance floor before they were in our churches.
Did you know that organs were first in saloons before they were in churches?
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In the 26 years I have been living for the Lord, I have NEVER seen a choreographed or learned dance routine in a church service.
The people of God marched around Jericho every day for six days. Their very moves where choreographed, as was the crashing of pots and blowing of the trumpets. God didn't mind that, and in fact, demanded it of them.
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I will give you your stick ministry. The only one I have ever witnessed brought tears to my eyes, and I truly felt the Holy Ghost; but have you ever seen a stick ministry in the world?? I haven't. Maybe it's out there and I don't know about it, but I have not been subject to a stick performance in a worldy setting.
I have, however, seen stepping in the world. They have step classes perform all the time during our county festivals or what not during the year. They are not being dirty or provocative in any fashion, but I did see these routines first in a secular environment. Hence, I draw the conclusion that we have learned out step routines from the world.
Dancing, as pointed out by LadyRev already, was first mentioned being done in a sinful fashion, not in a Godly one, yet we know people also danced in Godly fashion after that event. Do you think they started dancing by patterning their dance after the world?
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I have been walking in a cow pasture before and I did some stepping but there wasn't nothing Holy about what I stepped in.
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There they can find plenty of fault.
I used to swing dance. I loved it. I like ballroom dancing too.
I still love it.
Part of my very first confusion I remember as a young teen was being told that the square dance was "wrong" (although I WAS able to get out of it in gym for "religious reasons", which made me happy), yet dancing in church, looking for all the world like a Haitian voodoo dancer, was ok. And not only ok, but commended and praised for it's spirituality.
Part of my very first confusion I remember as a young teen was being told that the square dance was "wrong" (although I WAS able to get out of it in gym for "religious reasons", which made me happy), yet dancing in church, looking for all the world like a Haitian voodoo dancer, was ok. And not only ok, but commended and praised for it's spirituality.
I agree. I have thought about going to the local Y to see if there are classes. Any kind of dance. Well, almost any kind. LOL. I recently joined a gym, and my personal trainer is getting certified to teach dance aerobics. I can't wait for that.
I remember when new in the UPC, my friend wanted me to come up and worship and she knew I spent a lot of time dancing, and also in the bars dancing, and she said, "if you can give it to the world, you can give it to God."
I agree. I have thought about going to the local Y to see if there are classes. Any kind of dance. Well, almost any kind. LOL. I recently joined a gym, and my personal trainer is getting certified to teach dance aerobics. I can't wait for that.
I remember when new in the UPC, my friend wanted me to come up and worship and she knew I spent a lot of time dancing, and also in the bars dancing, and she said, "if you can give it to the world, you can give it to God."
I agree. My pastor also does that 'if you can do it at the Packer game, you can to it to Jesus' and he goes around high-fiving people all over the church....LOL!
Oops, I suppose that's wrong cause the world does it!
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I agree. My pastor also does that 'if you can do it at the Packer game, you can to it to Jesus' and he goes around high-fiving people all over the church....LOL!
Oops, I suppose that's wrong cause the world does it!
I thinks it's great. He probably does that as a sort of "icebreaker" while he's preaching, doesn't he? It helps if you (that is the preacher) can make people laugh and loosen up a bit. A lot of people who visit a Pentecostal church come in with their guard up so much that it takes something "fun" or "surprising" to break through to them. Then the Spirit can do His work. It sounds like you've got a fun and probably effective pastor.
I thinks it's great. He probably does that as a sort of "icebreaker" while he's preaching, doesn't he? It helps if you (that is the preacher) can make people laugh and loosen up a bit. A lot of people who visit a Pentecostal church come in with their guard up so much that it takes something "fun" or "surprising" to break through to them. Then the Spirit can do His work. It sounds like you've got a fun and probably effective pastor.
But he's high-fiving for Jesus!! LOL!
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I'm not Heavenly One and she can most certainly answer for herself but I'll add my two cents anyway.
Dancing was first mentioned in the bible here....
Ex 32:19 -
And it came to pass, as soon as he came nigh unto the camp, that he saw the calf, and the dancing: and Moses' anger waxed hot, and he cast the tables out of his hands, and brake them beneath the mount.
If "origin" is going to be used as an argument against something, then most certainly dancing originated in the scriptures as worship around an idol.
That is not scripturally sound, LadyRev, as dancing is mentioned previously in scripture, right here:
Exodus 15:20
And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.
Just as a note, I don't see where they rehearsed beforehand, they were just rejoicing.
And then there is King David, who danced before the Lord with all his might. I don't find any mention of him rehearsing his 'praise dance' beforehand, either. In fact, in the scriptures where we find actual accounts of people dancing in worship to Almighty God, it appears to be spontaneous and unrehearsed.
Jehoshaphat didn't seem to have a problem with "choreographed" praise...
2 Chronicles 20:21-22
20 And they rose early in the morning, and went forth into the wilderness of Tekoa: and as they went forth, Jehoshaphat stood and said, Hear me, O Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem; Believe in the LORD your God, so shall ye be established; believe his prophets, so shall ye prosper. 21 And when he had consulted with the people, he appointed singers unto the LORD, and that should praise the beauty of holiness, as they went out before the army, and to say, Praise the LORD; for his mercy endureth for ever. 22 And when they began to sing and to praise, the LORD set ambushments against the children of Ammon, Moab, and mount Seir, which were come against Judah; and they were smitten.
Definition of APPOINTED:
statute, ordinance, limit, something prescribed, due
prescribed task prescribed portion action prescribed (for oneself), resolve prescribed due prescribed limit, boundary enactment, decree, ordinance
specific decree law in general enactments, statutes
conditions enactments decrees civil enactments prescribed by God
Definition of CHOREOGRAPH:
to arrange or direct the movements, progress, or details of
Indeed, the music and singing was choreographed. Now, would you please show me where this same method was used when dancing in praise before the Lord?
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