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10-31-2014, 07:48 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Aquila
Prax, I'll try to simplify my question. Did Jesus have a distinct "human" personality, mind, or personhood (whatever one might call it) that prayed to and had a relationship with the Father? Yes or no?
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Jesus and the Father are the same Person. Not two Persons
Jesus did not have a Person. Jesus prayed.Jesus is a Person. Person's pray. Natures do not.
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10-31-2014, 07:54 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Please define "mode of being" and describe where the concept is explained in the Bible. .
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a manner of acting or doing; method; way: modern modes of transportation.
2. a particular type or form of something: Heat is a mode of motion.
3. a designated condition or status, as for performing a task or responding to a problem: a machine in the automatic mode.
4. Philosophy. - appearance, form, or disposition taken by a thing, or by one of its essential properties or attributes.
Note especially the last one
The word was MADE Flesh..appearance changed
Jn 1:1-14
Phil 2:5-6 He was in the form of God and took the Form of a servant.
Mode of being or Mode of Existence has to do with How He exists...His God being is how He existed before the incarnation. He's Human form or Human being is How he came to be after
Some of it has to do with FORM, Nature..Flesh vs Spirit etc etc
Some of it has to do with taking on a role (not acting or pretending). So in other words becoming Human enabled Him to fully take ON that role of the humble Human servant
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-31-2014, 07:54 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
Jesus and the Father are the same Person. Not two Persons
Quote Praxeas
Prax, sincerely, did the Father die?
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10-31-2014, 07:56 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord
I've been thinking about the fact that Jesus did NOT have an earthly father, but he did have an earthly, mother - Mary. So from this understanding, we have to acknowledge that Jesus received his flesh/blood characteristics and personality from his mother Mother, but his spirit/soul was divine.
This would also help to understand how Jesus could possess both a flesh/human nature, and also divine. Quite simple, really. The flesh/blood part of Jesus could indeed pray to the Father because it was the human nature acknowledging the divine part of his nature.
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If he did not have a Human soul then he was not really human.
In your way he did not really possess a human nature at all. He just possessed a human body
Also you seem to be saying his human nature prayed. His blood was praying
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-31-2014, 07:59 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Aquila
I believe it came into being and began developing at conception. However, if it pre-existed... we'd have to acknowledge a distinct and pre-existent center of consciousness within God that is distinct from the Father. And my friend... that is marching very close to the realm of speculative Trinitarian thought.
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You are again equating Personality to Person.
Thats the problem because Jfrog admitted Personality is not Person
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-31-2014, 08:00 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Can you show me where it states in the Bible that God exhibits two personalities at the same time???
I can show you were God resides in a distinct human personality by using the very words of Jesus Himself: John 10:38 (KJV)
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. |
Sounds like two persons you have Aquila. You use Personality as a synonym for Person when you explain things but then you say they are not? Really confused
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-31-2014, 08:01 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Sean
He wasnt born yet bro.
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So Jesus did not exist before he was born a man?
17And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. 18And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Luke 10:18
Your view is Jesus was only a man who never lived until Bethlehem. Well true the MAN Jesus did not. But in his pre existing before his humanity as God, The Word, The Angel Of God he was there when satan fell fron heaven.
Honestly I dont think people who believe Jesus was just a man are going to be in the kingdom.
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10-31-2014, 08:02 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by votivesoul
This passage has always puzzled me, if meant literally.
The term "Son of Man" is a self-referencing term the Lord used frequently, and essentially means "this human being", since "son of man" is but an idiom for the same.
So, if the Lord meant us to understand this verse literally, then it would appear that there are two versions of the man Christ Jesus:
One on earth, a human being, fully present, speaking this verse to Nicodemus, and another in heaven, likewise a human being, fully present there, but not speaking this verse to Nicodemus.
Anyone care to help?
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It could be a prolepsis
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-31-2014, 08:05 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Sean
Jesus and the Father are the same Person. Not two Persons
Quote Praxeas
Prax, sincerely, did the Father die?
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Father and Son are the same In Person but not the same in Nature and Mode of being
The Son died. When the Son died that Person who who si the same Person as the Father, died too as a man
The Son is not another Person from God (Unitarianism)
He is the same Person, distinct in nature and Mode of being
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-31-2014, 08:06 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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