Anger + Sadness = RAGE

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by tstew

I don't think you all understand what I am saying. My feelings on whether he should have simply walked away from this stem almost exclusively from his 911 call prior to the confrontation...Period. I am not swayed by media hype, conflicting reports, pre-existing political or social stances, or anything like that. I am telling you what I feel based on what I heard and what a reasonable person should have done based on what they were told by dispatch regardless of race. I guess I have to just leave it at that because I'm not sure we will ever get anywhere in this conversation.

A couple things to consider:

911 told him you don't need to do that which is not really a command. There's no proof he pursued the teen to an altercation. Besides what law was broken after he was told he didn't "need to do that" even if did follow? He states he was on way back to his truck when Martin approached him, is there any evidence to disprove that claim?

We all can have feelings about what we think might have happened but to convict there must be proof which at this point doesn't seem like there is much.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by tstew

I don't think you all understand what I am saying. My feelings on whether he should have simply walked away from this stem almost exclusively from his 911 call prior to the confrontation...Period. I am not swayed by media hype, conflicting reports, pre-existing political or social stances, or anything like that. I am telling you what I feel based on what I heard and what a reasonable person should have done based on what they were told by dispatch regardless of race. I guess I have to just leave it at that because I'm not sure we will ever get anywhere in this conversation.

I agree with you here. I believe that he "caused" the entire situation by his actions.
As I stated earlier in the thread, Trayvon also had a right to the "stand your ground" law. If Zim was pursuing him and Trayvon turned to defend himself, then Zim is totally at fault.
Making him responsible legally will be very hard, however.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

I agree with you here. I believe that he "caused" the entire situation by his actions.
As I stated earlier in the thread, Trayvon also had a right to the "stand your ground" law. If Zim was pursuing him and Trayvon turned to defend himself, then Zim is totally at fault.
Making him responsible legally will be very hard, however.

The problem, from what I know, there is no proof who confronted who to start altercation. Everyone wants to use 911 recording but Zimmerman said "okay" to being told he did not need to follow, but no is there proof he pursued after that? Doesn't seem to be any proof nor proof that Martin confronted Zimmerman as he was going back to his truck as he(Z) claims.

[crakjak]

Zimmerman was "night-watching" in his neighborhood, due to previous problems. Trayvon seems to have been in the wrong place at the wrong time, then he ups the ante by attacking his "stalker", and that stalker had a handgun to protect himself. Very bad choice for Taryvon, had Zim not had the gun he may very well have been the dead man?

A neighborhood has the right to protect itself. We currently have thieves coming into our neighborhood, stealing wheels and generally anything they can haul out. We are watching as a community, and will call the police, and hope that the bad guys get caught and nobody gets hurt. Maybe Zim's neighborhood could have done differently, but maybe they could not get the police to solve the problem.

I feel deeply for Trayvon, and his parents, this is a very bad and sad situation. But the public reaction and national attention is despicable, "...the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God...."

Let the authorities sort it out, if Zimmerman "murdered" Trayvon he should go to trial and to prison. If as the facts seem to be pointing Trayvon attacked him, after he was headed back to his truck, then he should not be even arrested.

There is huge emotion in this situation, just as in OJ's, but as time has proven, as well as a civil trial, the anger of the black community acquitted a man guilty of the murder of two people.

[Truthseeker]

Anger and emotions keep us from seeing the facts.

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

The problem, from what I know, there is no proof who confronted who to start altercation. Everyone wants to use 911 recording but Zimmerman said "okay" to being told he did not need to follow, but no is there proof he pursued after that? Doesn't seem to be any proof nor proof that Martin confronted Zimmerman as he was going back to his truck as he(Z) claims.

Exactly correct.

I don't think we will ever know who confronted who. There's just no evidence. Nobody saw it.

The only other way this case can be brought forward is if the autopsy report shows something fishy in the trajectory of the bullet.

If Trayvon Martin was shot close range in his chest it supports Zimmerman's claim that Trayvon was on top of him beating him. If he was shot from a distance that does not support Zimmerman's claim. If he was shot in the back at close range it does not support Zimmerman's claim. The angle of the bullet is also key. Did he shoot the kid in the chest from an angle suggesting he was on top of him or under him?

If Zimmerman was on top of the kid, that hurts his claim. Also, was there blood on Zimmerman's shirt? When Zimmerman shot Trayvon where and how did Trayvon fall? Were pictures taken at the scene (I'd assume they were) of the injuries to Zimmerman and where Trayvon was laying when he was found by police.

[Dagwood]

Making a statement or showing disrespect?

Congressman removed for wearing hoodie...

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/pol...oodie.house-tv

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Dagwood

Making a statement or showing disrespect?

Congressman removed for wearing hoodie...

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/pol...oodie.house-tv

Disrepect.

[Cindy]

Wondering what Dr. King would think about this, and how Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton try to stir up hatred. Disrespectful people with mob mentality. But, I think this was handled badly from the start, and we may never know what really happened. Wondering if this will turn out like the Anthony case. So many questions, so few answers.

[canam]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Disrepect.