Like I said, the code thumpers will never be happy. ANY contract can be brought into question on peripheral interpretation.
You want to charge a pastor of "dishonesty" because of a gotcha moment and his level of approval/disapproval of his congregation's private possessions? Help yourself. Good luck with that.
Personally, I say don't sweat the small stuff. Give others the benefit of the doubt. In the grand scheme of things my code thumping and condemnation won't help bring them to a better understanding. It would only expose my own willingness to hone other's shortcomings when I myself depend heavily on a the Grace of God.
If you are a UPCI minister and see the difficulties in the affirmation wording, I wish you godspeed in changing it. If not, I ask you; "Are there any perceivable inconsistencies in your own life you may consider?"
Anything like this can be justified. Sure, I have but I haven't signed a paper stating I will do something when I know I won't.
__________________
Today pull up the little weeds,
The sinful thoughts subdue,
Or they will take the reins themselves
And someday master you. --Anon.
The most deadly sins do not leap upon us, they creep up on us.
OK, for everyone who is against signing something which says they are doing one thing, but they are doing another, we ALL sign a form every year where dishonesty is a known issue amongst EVERYONE! It's called your 1040.
If you Barter or sell anything, such as at a garage sale, you are required to report any gains as income (the sale is higher than the purchase). Here is a statement directly from publication 525 from the Internal Revenue code;
"Bartering occurs when you exchange goods or services without exchanging money. An example of bartering is a plumber doing repair work for a dentist in exchange for dental services. The fair market value of goods and services received in exchange for goods or services you provide must be included in income in the year received."
If I preach for another pastor in exchange for other services, I’m supposed to report this as income. If I work on my neighbor’s car while he’s fixing my broken deck (I’m the mechanic and he’s the carpenter), we are supposed to report this.
Can I see a show of hands of how many on AFF obey this LAW????
Even your kids babysitting or mowing lawns for money, they are supposed to report this income. People in this Country, including Christians, look the other way when they fill out their income tax forms at the end of the year. I always laugh when someone tells me, “I’m totally honest on my Tax Return.”
OK, for everyone who is against signing something which says they are doing one thing, but they are doing another, we ALL sign a form every year where dishonesty is a known issue amongst EVERYONE! It's called your 1040.
If you Barter or sell anything, such as at a garage sale, you are required to report any gains as income (the sale is higher than the purchase). Here is a statement directly from publication 525 from the Internal Revenue code;
"Bartering occurs when you exchange goods or services without exchanging money. An example of bartering is a plumber doing repair work for a dentist in exchange for dental services. The fair market value of goods and services received in exchange for goods or services you provide must be included in income in the year received."
If I preach for another pastor in exchange for other services, I’m supposed to report this as income. If I work on my neighbor’s car while he’s fixing my broken deck (I’m the mechanic and he’s the carpenter), we are supposed to report this.
Can I see a show of hands of how many on AFF obey this LAW????
Even your kids babysitting or mowing lawns for money, they are supposed to report this income. People in this Country, including Christians, look the other way when they fill out their income tax forms at the end of the year. I always laugh when someone tells me, “I’m totally honest on my Tax Return.”
Good points. I was under the impression that you only have to report that which exceeds 600.00?
__________________ To be able to unite in difference carries more weight than all the opinions the universe can hold
I think it's safe to assume that if you accompany your AS with a list of exceptions, and the organization accepts it, you're in the clear. You have signed and made your exceptions to the first document clear, and the organization with which you are binding yourself has accepted your stipulations.
I find that more palatable then a signature with the knowledge that you don't intend to follow all the guidelines.
That allows for honesty, and it puts the onus back on the organization.
Would they accept it if instead of adding a cover letter, some things were crossed out on the AS?
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Exactly. No one is doing it 100% correct. Even those who claim they are. It's easy to call foul when there is nothing at risk in these things.
I come from a barn raising community. Neighbor helping neighbor. In an audit I was asked whether I have ever helped anyone in exchange for their assistance...? I replied that my father and I will help each other when need arises. The auditor asked if I realized that was breaking the law unless this was reported as both income and expense on our personal tax returns? I said no, I considered that Christian charity. They said from now on you need to report any and all such, whether they be considered acts of charity or not. Ridiculous!
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Originally Posted by NotforSale
OK, for everyone who is against signing something which says they are doing one thing, but they are doing another, we ALL sign a form every year where dishonesty is a known issue amongst EVERYONE! It's called your 1040.
If you Barter or sell anything, such as at a garage sale, you are required to report any gains as income (the sale is higher than the purchase). Here is a statement directly from publication 525 from the Internal Revenue code;
"Bartering occurs when you exchange goods or services without exchanging money. An example of bartering is a plumber doing repair work for a dentist in exchange for dental services. The fair market value of goods and services received in exchange for goods or services you provide must be included in income in the year received."
If I preach for another pastor in exchange for other services, I’m supposed to report this as income. If I work on my neighbor’s car while he’s fixing my broken deck (I’m the mechanic and he’s the carpenter), we are supposed to report this.
Can I see a show of hands of how many on AFF obey this LAW????
Even your kids babysitting or mowing lawns for money, they are supposed to report this income. People in this Country, including Christians, look the other way when they fill out their income tax forms at the end of the year. I always laugh when someone tells me, “I’m totally honest on my Tax Return.”
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Would they accept it if instead of adding a cover letter, some things were crossed out on the AS?
I have received reliable information that many such AS were received and "accepted".
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
OK, for everyone who is against signing something which says they are doing one thing, but they are doing another, we ALL sign a form every year where dishonesty is a known issue amongst EVERYONE! It's called your 1040.
If you Barter or sell anything, such as at a garage sale, you are required to report any gains as income (the sale is higher than the purchase). Here is a statement directly from publication 525 from the Internal Revenue code;
"Bartering occurs when you exchange goods or services without exchanging money. An example of bartering is a plumber doing repair work for a dentist in exchange for dental services. The fair market value of goods and services received in exchange for goods or services you provide must be included in income in the year received."
If I preach for another pastor in exchange for other services, I’m supposed to report this as income. If I work on my neighbor’s car while he’s fixing my broken deck (I’m the mechanic and he’s the carpenter), we are supposed to report this.
Can I see a show of hands of how many on AFF obey this LAW????
Even your kids babysitting or mowing lawns for money, they are supposed to report this income. People in this Country, including Christians, look the other way when they fill out their income tax forms at the end of the year. I always laugh when someone tells me, “I’m totally honest on my Tax Return.”
So how does this justify minister signing affrimation?
__________________
Today pull up the little weeds,
The sinful thoughts subdue,
Or they will take the reins themselves
And someday master you. --Anon.
The most deadly sins do not leap upon us, they creep up on us.
So how does this justify minister signing affrimation?
It doesn't and probably wasn't intended to. Just a stark reminder that when you become code thumper for everyone else you are setting yourself up to get bit in the butt.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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