I'm being bewitched.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by pelathais

ibid.

Again, no offense but you'd have to completely trash the Bible as the Word of God, shave your head and run through the street shouting, "I'm Coo-Coo for Coco-Puffs!" to make that case.

I don't know your "DR." here, but his "Recommended Reading List" has D.A. Carson, Gordon Fee, the Yale Anchor Bible Dictionary (E. A. Speiser handled most of the Genesis material there). NONE of these guys will assert that Moses "wrote the Pentateuch."

Moses gave us the Law, not the Pentateuch.

That is the only thing we can say for sure that the Pentateuch actually informs us...Moses gave us the law

[Flutecrafter]

Originally Posted by pelathais

You seem to be making excuses for them here, Aquila. Why can't anyone provide any proof that this "magick" is real?

I have provided Scripture.

[Praxeas]

1. The Current Critical Scheme:
The view that Moses was the author of the Pentateuch, with the exception of the concluding verses of Deuteronomy, was once held universally. It is still believed by the great mass of Jews and Christians, but in most universities of Northern Europe and North America other theories prevail. An application of what is called “higher” or “documentary criticism” (to distinguish it from lower or textual criticism) has led to the formation of a number of hypotheses

This is an excerpt from the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia (the older version). You can find it on the net and read it as the article itself is way too long to post here. Look under Pentateuch

[Flutecrafter]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Let me see... I SAID that "holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost..." but all you HEARD was that I disagreed with your fraudulent "magick."

You then conclude that I must think that the Book of Exodus is in error.

No Mark. YOU ARE IN ERROR. Exodus is inspired by God. Your opinions about the Bible are wrong but the Bible itself is true.

This is what I meant about your overwhelming ego. You just can't seem to see the difference between what's "YOU" and what's "GOD."

Lets recap here, You have stated that the magician in Exodus were not actually
performing magik, but illusions if I recall correctly. I could go back and find it
later if necessary.
The Bible doesn't say it was trickery, it says that they did the stuff.

Unlike you, I do indeed know the difference between what is me and what
is God.
I do agree with you that the Bible is true though. Nice for you to acknowledge that.

[Flutecrafter]

Now, Pel, Since this started, I have been trying to figure out why on earth
you would have been so bent on mis-representing me and trying to
twist my words, especially in light of the fact that you don't normally act
this way.
In light of the fact that you have recently buried a wee one, I understand
the disconnect better and will desist in our conversation.

Mark

[Flutecrafter]

Originally Posted by kayl

How can I know for certain?

to go back to the OP,
Kayl, sometimes occultists do cast at people, but what you have to
realize is that God is your strength and shield.
He is more powerful than any occultist or fallen spirit.
If you are concerned about it, get as close to God as you can.
Bible reading, praise music, prayer, walking the path Jesus wants you to.

Mark

[james34]

Originally Posted by Flutecrafter

to go back to the OP,
Kayl, sometimes occultists do cast at people, but what you have to
realize is that God is your strength and shield.
He is more powerful than any occultist or fallen spirit.
If you are concerned about it, get as close to God as you can.
Bible reading, praise music, prayer, walking the path Jesus wants you to.

Mark

our church supports some people in Haiti,voodoo is very strong and real there.
But one of the main pastors from there ,came to our church and testified saying ,that the witch doctors have power to transform into other forms,but they steer clear of the church because they know the church has greater power and it is very important to the voodoo people that they are not shown up by a different power,thereby weakening their own testimony.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Flutecrafter

Lets recap here, You have stated that the magician in Exodus were not actually
performing magik, but illusions if I recall correctly. I could go back and find it
later if necessary.
The Bible doesn't say it was trickery, it says that they did the stuff.

Unlike you, I do indeed know the difference between what is me and what
is God.
I do agree with you that the Bible is true though. Nice for you to acknowledge that.

The bible paints a picture that the magicians made everyone believe they performed magick. Nothing more nothing less.

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

1. The Current Critical Scheme:
The view that Moses was the author of the Pentateuch, with the exception of the concluding verses of Deuteronomy, was once held universally. It is still believed by the great mass of Jews and Christians, but in most universities of Northern Europe and North America other theories prevail. An application of what is called “higher” or “documentary criticism” (to distinguish it from lower or textual criticism) has led to the formation of a number of hypotheses

This is an excerpt from the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia (the older version). You can find it on the net and read it as the article itself is way too long to post here. Look under Pentateuch

Thank you.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Flutecrafter

I have provided Scripture.

Still looking for "proof" that "magick" will allow someone to move inanimate objects without touching them, control the weather and put the "whammy" on people who don't believe in magic.

Your list of Scriptures provides no mention of any of those things.

Look Mark, all I said originally was that someone would have to actually believe in this stuff for it to affect them. And that statement was directed to others who were asking about the idea and wondering about the efficacy of it all.

I was trying to show them that they have far, far more "power" then any malevolent person who might want to "bewitch" them. Then, from out of nowhere, you suddenly appear on the board screaming and calling names. It's obvious this issue touches a nerve with you. So be it.

Personally, I believe that if a person believes "magick" to have power then, for them, it will truly have some power. I'm not diminishing most of your past experiences because you apparently believe or believed these thing to be so. Therefore, I conclude, that there was probably a lot of "magick afoot," so to speak. I am skeptical about your claims to have controlled the weather and some of the other stuff. But as far as the "feeling" and even the body/mind interconnections, I don't doubt it a bit.

I personally have seen things that I simply cannot account for in any purely materialist or naturalistic manner. Strange and unexplainable stuff happens all the time. The world is filled with incredible wonder. But no one should ever fear someone else "bewitching" them. There is simply no evidence that such a "power" exists. And besides, there are far too many real dangers that do exist.