Las Vegas? - Page 3

Monkeyman · #21 11-24-2007, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The Apostolic Church of Las Vegas is pastored by Elder Steve Stolfus on Lindel it was founded by Elder Dallas Mefford a very good church about 300 folks. I have preached there more than once.

Yes, but we NEED the racial breakdown of said church first ya know.....oh brother, sheesh!!!!!

Steve Epley · #22 11-24-2007, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Monkeyman

Yes, but we NEED the racial breakdown of said church first ya know.....oh brother, sheesh!!!!!

There are white-black-brown saints in that assembly. What difference does that make? A saint is a saint regardless or color or nationality?

Monkeyman · #23 11-24-2007, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

There are white-black-brown saints in that assembly. What difference does that make? A saint is a saint regardless or color or nationality?

Come on bro, now your PREACHIN'!!! That is what I believe too...I couldn't believe when the author of this thread asked that the color of a potential church be white...I have NEVER heard that before, but hey, what do I know???

OneAccord · #24 11-25-2007, 08:10 AM

I posted a picture of a white church. I don't know why the color of the building makes a difference. Whether its a brown, white or brick building shouldn't make a difference. But, to each his own.

Steve Epley · #25 11-25-2007, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Monkeyman

Come on bro, now your PREACHIN'!!! That is what I believe too...I couldn't believe when the author of this thread asked that the color of a potential church be white...I have NEVER heard that before, but hey, what do I know???

I have pastored black saints nearly the whole time I have been pastoring. I haven't had the honor to pastor many Latin saints but I would love to. Bishop Haywood said the 'blood washes away the bloodline.' I believe that with all my heart. I have preached on the West Coast where nearly every race was present that was so neat, coming from a small rural area I really enjoyed it.

pelathais · #26 11-25-2007, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I have pastored black saints nearly the whole time I have been pastoring. I haven't had the honor to pastor many Latin saints but I would love to. Bishop Haywood said the 'blood washes away the bloodline.' I believe that with all my heart. I have preached on the West Coast where nearly every race was present that was so neat, coming from a small rural area I really enjoyed it.

I've heard Bro. Haywood's statement preached all my adult life and am thankful for that truth.

I think crazyjoe was getting more at the culture angle of things rather than expressing any latent racism as another poster seemed to imply.

I preached in a small "all black" PAW church once and was told by one of the men after the service that he didn't "appreciate white boys coming down to [neighborhood]." It was made quite clear that the pastor had made a "mistake" in inviting a "white boy." Lesson learned: there's all types of racism.

But even in a welcoming environment there are cultural nuances that exist in many places that make a person feel out of place. Many times these things are described as being "black," "white," "Latin" or "Asian" or whatever. The fact that most "white" Apostolic churches have historically copied aspects of "black" churches and culture adds a layer of complexity to these generalizations.

In looking for a church to attend or visit you want a good fit; especially if you have loved ones who are vulnerable and sensitive about the whole church experience.

winklebottom · #27 11-25-2007, 02:53 PM

I agree. I don't think crazyjoe was trying to be mean, I believe everyone wants to go where you feel comfortable in worship. It is just like some saints would rather go to a church that sings southern gospel songs instead of praise and worship in thier services. A "good fit" as the last poster said. Personally, I enjoy having all races represented, But....that would be in a perfect world...

Monkeyman · #28 11-25-2007, 06:02 PM

I have NEVER looked for a church based on it's cultural make-up, in fact, it never has crossed my mind, nope, I don't get it at all.

Bro Epley, I appreciate you, although we stand eye to eye, (he he) I could never fill your shoes!!!

pelathais · #29 11-25-2007, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Monkeyman

I have NEVER looked for a church based on it's cultural make-up, in fact, it never has crossed my mind, nope, I don't get it at all.

What about the opposite? Have you ever been told that you don't "belong" in a particular church because of cultural and/or racial considerations?

Monkeyman · #30 11-25-2007, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

What about the opposite? Have you ever been told that you don't "belong" in a particular church because of cultural and/or racial considerations?

Thankfully, no. Yet, I do recall touring with a multi-racial youth choir and feeling something different in my spirit. When ALL of the minorities were herded together to stay in 1 household, I understood. Not a good feeling and I am so thankful that there have been men & women of God to stand for TRUTH and AGAINST racisim in the church.
Remember bro, I am a hispanic living in New Brunswick, if anyone has had the opportunity to experience racism it is I, yet, thankfully I have not while I have been here. (In the church that is)