Who is/was the Greatest Reformer of the Christian Faith?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Maybe we should move to another thread. PP wanted a vote on "best Reformer" and not a debate on theodicy. It's my fault to straying.

The point I was trying to make had to do with "It just happens" not theodicy.

I guess I'll go vote for the best reformer. It's sad that after the reform the modern version of the churches some of those reformers started doesn't resemble their beginnings. Would Luther feel at home in a Lutheran church? Would Wesley feel at home in a Methodist church?

Do you think modern day apostolics resemble the apostolic church of the book of Acts?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

The point I was trying to make had to do with "It just happens" not theodicy.

I guess I'll go vote for the best reformer. It's sad that after the reform the modern version of the churches some of those reformers started doesn't resemble their beginnings. Would Luther feel at home in a Lutheran church? Would Wesley feel at home in a Methodist church?

Do you think modern day apostolics resemble the apostolic church of the book of Acts?

The "it just happens" debate leads me to question God's justice in mercilessly killing small children in the violent storms that He unleashes and then guides with unerring accuracy right at the place where the innocent ones have tried to seek shelter. Since I don't accept that God is in the storm, the fire from heaven or these other physical phenomena, I don't have a problem accepting Him as just everytime a child dies a cruel and painful death due to malevolent weather.

And, yes and no to the last question. If an Apostle from the 1st century was to walk up to a group of us baptizing a convert in the river, they would probably understand what was going on. If they were in a fiesty mood that might ask why we didn't baptize the convert "correctly" however. I mean, who is "Gee-sus"? The Apostles used the name "Eashoa'."

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by pelathais

The "it just happens" debate leads me to question God's justice in mercilessly killing small children in the violent storms that He unleashes and then guides with unerring accuracy right at the place where the innocent ones have tried to seek shelter. Since I don't accept that God is in the storm, the fire from heaven or these other physical phenomena, I don't have a problem accepting Him as just everytime a child dies a cruel and painful death due to malevolent weather.

Since you don't accept that God has anything to do with the storm, then what do you think Nahum meant?

Do you accept God rained fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gommorrah and commanded the Israelites to kill everyone including children when they took the land through the leadership of Joshua as a judgement for their sins?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by pelathais

And, yes and no to the last question. If an Apostle from the 1st century was to walk up to a group of us baptizing a convert in the river, they would probably understand what was going on. If they were in a fiesty mood that might ask why we didn't baptize the convert "correctly" however. I mean, who is "Gee-sus"? The Apostles used the name "Eashoa'."

Do you think Paul baptized Greek speaking Gentiles in the Hebraic name or the Greek name for Jesus?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Do you think Paul baptized Greek speaking Gentiles in the Hebraic name or the Greek name for Jesus?

Are you trying to pick a fight with me? LOL!

For Paul it was probably some Creole type of combo language unless he was consciously trying to be formal. Besides, he didn't usually do the large scale baptisms. He appears to have baptized a few of the early converts in an area and then turned the work over to the locals.

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Do you think Paul baptized Greek speaking Gentiles in the Hebraic name or the Greek name for Jesus?

If a guy named Carl goes to Mexico, does his name change to Carlos?

Probably not to people who know him personally...

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Beginning immediately after the era of Constantine, who is/was the greatest reformer of the Christian faith?

I believe Puritan theology and tradition still pervades Christianity in America.

The contributions of those great minds is remarkable.

The Puritans claimed to want what many AFF posters say they want - religion without all of the bells and whistles. Something simple, pure and steadfast.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

If a guy named Carl goes to Mexico, does his name change to Carlos?

Probably not to people who know him personally...

But if he baptised in Mexico in the name of Jesus Christ or Jesucristo?

[stmatthew]

Not sure any of the listed folks had "true" christian faith, so I can't vote.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Are you trying to pick a fight with me? LOL!

I think it would make Daniel happy!