Brother, you don't know me and I don't know you, but I will tell you this much: nothing is stopping you from staying. You have the right to change your mind, even though you said you would leave. The UPCI is more than this issue with tv. It's just that this tv issue has been dominating things for a few years. It's been decided that those who choose to can adverstise their church on television. You don't have to agree with that decision, but you don't have to let it run you out of the organization either.
It is not JUST the "TV thing." As I stated elsewhere, this was just the "last straw" for me. It was a BIG issue to me BEFORE I became licensed. It remains a BIG issue. However, it is not the ONLY issue. I know that no one is forcing me out in a literal sense. As I've said before, so say I now again, this is NOT a "knee-jerk reaction." I've had an entire year to decide how I would deal with it. This is the decision I have reached, and I believe it to be best for me and the church I pastor.
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"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and
any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains."
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It is not JUST the "TV thing." As I stated elsewhere, this was just the "last straw" for me. It was a BIG issue to me BEFORE I became licensed. It remains a BIG issue. However, it is not the ONLY issue. I know that no one is forcing me out in a literal sense. As I've said before, so say I now again, this is NOT a "knee-jerk reaction." I've had an entire year to decide how I would deal with it. This is the decision I have reached, and I believe it to be best for me and the church I pastor.
Well, do what you gotta do, Brother. My gut feeling is that another organization is going to be the result of people leaving the UPC. We shall see how this all plays out.
Well, do what you gotta do, Brother. My gut feeling is that another organization is going to be the result of people leaving the UPC. We shall see how this all plays out.
I'm not interested in another organization. In fact, I have no plans to EVER join one. I will remain independent. I truly believe that is what God wants for me.
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"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and
any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains."
Winston Churchill
I'm not interested in another organization. In fact, I have no plans to EVER join one. I will remain independent. I truly believe that is what God wants for me.
Independent Apostolic Pentecostal is the largest.
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Perhaps when the dust settles this will be best for everyone involved as you can't have an organization being pulled in two different directions.
Those who freak out at image magnification on video screens at conferences and the thought of utilizing technology in outreach have been unhappy for a very long time (as Kansas Preacher says he has been and I am sure many more).
The Kansas contingent of UPC has been so conservative he will be the second DS in modern times to go from heading up the UPC in his district / state to ditching it.
If the UPC is smart they will recruit some moderates to go into Kansas and start Home Missions churches in the major urban areas and larger towns to build a UPC presence there that will be moderate enough to not be ditching the Mothership every few years because they think it is too lib.
I find it ironic and rather funny that Kansas Preacher has stated that the previous bunch that left don't have much to do with him because he didn't leave when they did. The ultra cons don't even get along with each other!
Perhaps when the dust settles this will be best for everyone involved as you can't have an organization being pulled in two different directions.
Those who freak out at image magnification on video screens at conferences and the thought of utilizing technology in outreach have been unhappy for a very long time (as Kansas Preacher says he has been and I am sure many more).
The Kansas contingent of UPC has been so conservative he will be the second DS in modern times to go from heading up the UPC in his district / state to ditching it.
If the UPC is smart they will recruit some moderates to go into Kansas and start Home Missions churches in the major urban areas and larger towns to build a UPC presence there that will be moderate enough to not be ditching the Mothership every few years because they think it is too lib.
I find it ironic and rather funny that Kansas Preacher has stated that the previous bunch that left don't have much to do with him because he didn't leave when they did. The ultra cons don't even get along with each other!
Interesting comments for sure....
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Pelathais, I sure hope you don't get banned for telling the truth.
I have seen so many lies posted. The best one is the one Triumphant 1 did his best to combat. You know, the hair cutting party thing?
Prominent members of this board chose to believe the lie and even continue to spread it, even though T1 had totally proved it was false.
I'm not interested in another organization. In fact, I have no plans to EVER join one. I will remain independent. I truly believe that is what God wants for me.
Me too...
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I DIDN'T HAVE A HAIR CUTTING PARTY!
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Pelathais, I sure hope you don't get banned for telling the truth.
I have seen so many lies posted. The best one is the one Triumphant 1 did his best to combat. You know, the hair cutting party thing?
Prominent members of this board chose to believe the lie and even continue to spread it, even though T1 had totally proved it was false.
Thank you for your very kind words. I just recieved a VERY touching phone call from a long-time friend who said many of the same things. I assure you this is NOT a "knee-jerk" reaction.
For the sake of those who do not read "Thad's Tab," I will give a little more insight into my personal decision by posting here what I posted there. The thread stated that I had promised to "leave as soon as it passed." Furthermore, someone stated they "hoped I DID leave." Here is my response.
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For those who "hope" I will leave, you will get your wish.
Thad, I NEVER said, "as soon as it passes." I only stated that I WILL leave. That is my intention. I have been telling that the easiest way to leave is to let your dues lapse. It requires no action on the part of the District Board. It is just automatic. My plan has been to let that process work. My dues are paid through the end of the year. That would mean I won't be dropping out until the first of the year.
I have been reconsidering, however. I have been watching the UPCI drift towards liberalism for many years. (I prayed through in a United Pentecostal Church more than 35 years ago, and have been licensed/ordained for more than 25 of those years.) It has grieved me, but I have been unable to stop it. Yesterday, with the passage of Resolution 4, something in me died. This whole process has been, for me, like watching a loved one with a terminal disease. Even though you know it's coming, you still don't cherish the fact that they finally passed away. The problem for me now is, if I wait until my dues lapse, I won't be able to "bury" this loved one for three more months. In other words, there will be no "closure" for me until I am out of the organization.
I have wept genuine tears. I have been heartbroken. I do not rejoice that I am leaving (although others evidently ARE rejoicing over that fact). Nevertheless, it is something I feel I MUST do.
For those who are interested, I posted the following on another forum. I will "cut and paste" for the benefit of those who "hope" I leave.
I will not leave with a bad spirit. I will not leave with a rotten attitude. I will not go out "bashing" the UPC. I want to retain the fond memories I have. The UPC has been GOOD to me in MANY ways. I have served in positions from the sectional level to the national level (as a member of the General Board). I want to remember it for the good it has done. I will not criticize those who remain in. (In fact, I have counseled young men NOT to jump because others are.)
I see it like this: If I leave now, I can do so with a right spirit and attitude. If I wait, I may grow bitter. That's a chance I am not willing to take.
I like that attitude and let me tell you that it's definitely the right attitude for all of us to have. Some will stay (no intention of leaving) and grow bitter though all of this and others will wait (not really wanting to stay) and grow bitter because of it.
I'm sorry that all of this ever happened. I'm truly sickened by ALL that TV has to offer. I can't imagine how a holy people of GOD could claim to think that we're actually doing good by this TV resolution, when all we're doing is blending with the world.
I've got too much to say about TV so I better "git while the gittin's good."
I like that attitude and let me tell you that it's definitely the right attitude for all of us to have. Some will stay (no intention of leaving) and grow bitter though all of this and others will wait (not really wanting to stay) and grow bitter because of it.
I'm sorry that all of this ever happened. I'm truly sickened by ALL that TV has to offer. I can't imagine how a holy people of GOD could claim to think that we're actually doing good by this TV resolution, when all we're doing is blending with the world.
I've got too much to say about TV so I better "git while the gittin's good."
You say this on the internet, well known for breaking up homes, even those of Apostolics.
Oh, the irony!
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I've gone and done it now! I'm on Facebook!!!
I like that attitude and let me tell you that it's definitely the right attitude for all of us to have. Some will stay (no intention of leaving) and grow bitter though all of this and others will wait (not really wanting to stay) and grow bitter because of it.
I'm sorry that all of this ever happened. I'm truly sickened by ALL that TV has to offer. I can't imagine how a holy people of GOD could claim to think that we're actually doing good by this TV resolution, when all we're doing is blending with the world.
I've got too much to say about TV so I better "git while the gittin's good."
Well, if Res 4 causes Wholehearted to finally leave the org. he has been a part of but seems to despise then it will be worth it all.
"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and
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