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Old 09-29-2007, 09:38 AM
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Maybe he would have, and maybe he wouldn't have. His flirting with trinitarians would have likely gotten him booted.
NO WAY!!!

Mangun, Tenny, Williams, and MANY more "flirt" with trinitarians...its a moot point!
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Old 09-29-2007, 09:57 AM
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how do you all define " flirting with trinitarians " ??


like having john maxwell speak ? going on TBN ? having jakes at the louisiana camp grounds ?
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Old 09-29-2007, 05:00 PM
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NO WAY!!!

Mangun, Tenny, Williams, and MANY more "flirt" with trinitarians...its a moot point!

SM,

as I said somewhere above, I think there is a big difference in going outside of the 4 walls and attempting to reach the trinitarians with Truth, and inviting them in to feed the flock that God has made you overseer of. Do you agree??
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Old 09-29-2007, 10:05 PM
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Old 09-29-2007, 10:29 PM
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A UPC official has made his case for an apology to Kenneth Phillips for all that the UPC put him through in the 70s


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As I mentioned in an ealier post on in another thread. I lived in Ft. Worth in 1975 and 1976.

My father was the dean of Theology at Mark Hanby's Wide World of Ministries bible college.

I was 11-12 years old.

The General Conference was in Ft. Worth in 1975.

I remember my dad at a dinner for ministers who were to attend the GC.

Talking to Norman Pasley from Cincinnati, OH, Mark Hanby and Kenneth Phillips.

After the preconference rally at Mark Hanby's church.

There was a silent group of ministers that were thinking about leaving the UPC.

I know first hand some of the issues Mark Hanby had back in those days.

Mark Hanby came to Cincinnati in March of 1978 along with some 200 other ministers to attend my Dad's funeral (My dad was only 43) the same age I am now.

At that funeral after the service and at the dinner we had for everyone put on by the church.

I witnessed a conversation between my Mom, Mark Hanby and Nathaniel Urshan.

Mark Hanby began to cry, he told my Mom and Bro Urshan that my father was someone that he wished he could have been!

I heard him tell Bro Urshan that never had he witnessed a man with such a love for God's word.

He was telling them that my Dad believed that there would be very large churches in the future.

Then he mentioned that my Dad John Eckstadt prophesied that the One God message would be heard around the world via the use of TV.

I remember looking at a very stunned Nathaniel Urshan as my Mom started to cry and told Mark Hanby.

She told the both of them as other men stood near by, that he thought big, he believed big, he had God reveal to him big.

That was a day that I will never forget.

My dad had a dream of Debating the Oneness/Trinity doctrine on TV. He would take both sides of the debate.

In 1961 my dad had converted a UPC church in Hartford. Connecticut to the Assembly of God. Then in 1963 he converted them back to the UPC as received the Oneness revelation.

Since he knew the Trinity doctrine from start to finish with having attended one of their largest and most popular AOG bible colleges in the late 1950's.

I am not sure what the UPC should do with Kenneth Phillips.

But it sure is a sign that God is still moving on the prophetic words of a good man that has been resting in Christ since 1978.
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Old 09-29-2007, 10:32 PM
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Maybe extend a hand of friendship and brotherhood to Kenneth Phillips. That could be very good and very healing.

The MH thing...that's another matter completely.

Some fishy stuff goin' on there...
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Old 09-29-2007, 10:36 PM
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Maybe extend a hand of friendship and brotherhood to Kenneth Phillips. That could be very good and very healing.

The MH thing...that's another matter completely.

Some fishy stuff goin' on there...
I agree MH stand on tv were overshadowed by his lack of character regarding his actions and behavior.
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Old 09-29-2007, 10:42 PM
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A UPC official has made his case for an apology to Kenneth Phillips for all that the UPC put him through in the 70s


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LOL!!!! That would be like the Federal government apologizing to American Indians that Columbus discovered America or that the Pilgrams came.

Makes no sense to me. Obviously I think the UPC was wrong way back in 1977but to expect them to apologize now for a legitimate heartfelt decision that was made back then is silly to me.
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Old 09-29-2007, 10:44 PM
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LOL!!!! That would be like the Federal government apologizing to American Indians that Columbus discovered America or that the Pilgrams came.

Makes no sense to me. Obviously I think the UPC was wrong way back in 1977but to expect them to apologize now for a legitimate heartfelt decision that was made back then is silly to me.
What should be done is an offical statement on the reason for the change now.

Then state that the vision that started with men as far back as 1975 has now come to pass...
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Old 09-29-2007, 10:45 PM
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NOT saying they would do it but was proposed

i wouldn't put it past KH though - serious.
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