Fifty years ago...

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by marthaolivia

I know God doesn't change but did He tell most of the early ministers that they should lay down those rules back then & tell them something different a few years later? I am still trying to figure all this out in my mind.

Who said God told them...they just told us and used poor exegsis of scrpture to "try" to make us think it was God all along

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by marthaolivia

If I remember correctly, fifty years ago, (and yes I was around then!) at least in UPC & ALJC, it was a sin to watch or own a tv, to go to the movies, for women to wear slacks, to dress out for gym at school, to dance, to go to ball games, to "arch" your eyebrows, for women to cut or trim their hair, to wear open toed shoes, to wear any make-up (except for Vaseline), to go swimming in anything other than your everyday clothes, to listen to certain radio stations and there are probably some more deadly sins that I forgot to mention.
My question is.."Did God change His mind about these things through the years or were they man-made from the beginning?"

Many of these things never were sin. So whats wrong with confessing the truth now? Are we sooo egotistical we can't admit being wrong a time or two?

[dizzyde]

[QUOTE=Stephen Hoover;255787]Many of these things never were sin. So whats wrong with confessing the truth now? Are we sooo egotistical we can't admit being wrong a time or two?[/QUOTE]

Well, yes, for the most part. Unfortunately.

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by marthaolivia

to James Griffin:
I am not worried about backsliding... I had rather just listen to my pastor and do what he says even if I don't understand all I think I know!!! ( Does that make sense? At this stage in life, there is nothing that I left that I want to go back to. I am now cramming for my finals!....I certainly don't want to give the impression that I am dissatisfied with our church teachings. I guess the baggage from childhood follows us all..

was not suggesting you were sir, I was just quoting what was said in my childhood...

It would probably be a shock to many but I lament the passing of many of these standards. My only problem is those who equate them to salvation.

Originally Posted by James Griffin

was not suggesting you were sir, I was just quoting what was said in my childhood...

It would probably be a shock to many but I lament the passing of many of these standards. My only problem is those who equate them to salvation.

but why are we preaching against things if you can do them and still be saved???

Who gave us that kind of authority??? How nonsensical and stupid can we possibly be??? "Hey, let's preach against things that aren't wrong to do!!!"

[marthaolivia]

Originally Posted by Sam

This is from “What Oneness Pentecostals Believe and Teach,” third edition by B.E. Echols, Marshall, TX, 1956 pages 10-12

A few things the Oneness Pentecostal People believe and teach that a Christian should NOT do or partake of are: drink beer, wine, whiskey ... use snuff or tobacco ...attend or take part in basketball, football and baseball games, picture shows, boxing and wrestling matches, visit pool halls, play golf or cards, dance, go swimming where both sexes are present ... telling jokes ... reading funny papers, novels ... listening in on comic radio programs and ungodly TV broadcasts. All such things rob a Christian of his spirituality and will eventually drown his soul in perdition.

Christian women should not bob their hair (1 Cor 11:5-11) get permanents (1 Tim 2:9, 10), wear jewelry as ornaments (this applies to men also); wear socks, use rouge and lip-stick or paint their eyebrows, eyelashes or fingernails; neither should they wear low neck, short skirt and short-sleeve dresses --especially in public ... abstain from all lustful and pagan customs of the ungodly, such as necking, kissing, spooning and keeping late hours at night.

Sam I hope I got this "quote thing" done correctly.

I abided by every one of these rules until I was almost 19 not because I believed, but had no choice. I am thankful today for a praying mother but I hated it when I was a teen back in the mid-fifties. My dad was an alcoholic and I had the stigma of that in addition to having to be set apart from other people my age. I still believe in the fundamental truths such as Jesus Name Baptism and the Oneness teaching, but as I said earlier, I never could understand all the "you can'ts". I now have the greatest pastor in the world (UPC) and I will do whatever he teaches and trust him 100%. He knows my background and is always there if I have a question. The feeling of being left out and being different as a youngster has never been forgotten.

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by MrsBOOMM

There is a lot to say about obeying those that have the rule over you. As long as your Pastor is correct on the Salvation Doctrine, I don't see the harm in being obedient to what he set up for the church. Even if he is wanting more from you than is required by the Word Of God, what is the harm if we make it to heaven? Isn't that the goal?

Most excellent point, the bar should be higher than the bare minimum. And one should follow the teachings of their pastor! The standards have fallen too far too fast. Once again the problem is in the spirit of confusing the standards with salvation to the point that one would refuse to fellowship with anyone in disagreement.

Originally Posted by James Griffin

Most excellent point, the bar should be higher than the bare minimum. And one should follow the teachings of their pastor! The standards have fallen too far too fast. Once again the problem is in the spirit of confusing the standards with salvation to the point that one would refuse to fellowship with anyone in disagreement.

NO!!

God is the only one who can raise the bar higher than the minimum...

Don't you realize that a big part of Jesus' issue with the Pharisees was that they added to the "bare minimum" that God gave the people and made that extra stuff a requirement, too??

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

but why are we preaching against things if you can do them and still be saved???

Who gave us that kind of authority??? How nonsensical and stupid can we possibly be??? "Hey, let's preach against things that aren't wrong to do!!!"

There are few things more detrimental to a Christian walk than having a television in the house. I have no problem preaching against it. Even though watching TV will not send you to hell per se.

[marthaolivia]

Hey....I'm not a "sir". (Marthaolivia!) Sorry if I came across as such. (smiles)