Tell you what, I went to a Benny Hinn crusade about two or three years ago when he was in Chicago (Thanks again, Sis Vicki for the VIP seating )
What I can tell you is that there wasn't a circuis. Everything was decent and in order. There was not a petition for some big extravagant offering.
When God started healing people, Hinn didn't step to the pulpit and speak "the word of faith" or anything like that, the gift of healing just filled the stadium as the people worshipped.
When I arrived at the stadium I saw a man help his wife out of their van. She was in a wheelchair and was connected to a big oxygen tank. I watched that lady get healed in the service, come out of her wheelchair and diconnect the hoses to the tank. No one was screaming at her or messing up her hair as they prayed for her....she and her husband were along worshipping God.
When the peopled that had been healed line up to give their testimony there was Dr's there to verify different things. There was ladies who gave you a testimony card to fill out and sign. It was all very organized.
I obviously don't agree with how Hinn preaches salvation, but I gotta give him his props...people come to the crusades believing that if they can just get in the door, they will receive their miracle. Benny Hinn's ministry team create an atmosphere of worship and faith. Whether they preach the whole truth or not, God takes pleasure in the praises of His people. He will always respond to faith....
AND THAT"S THE WAY IT WAS
..........ok now I'm going to brace for the beating I'm about to take......
It's all good except for that bolded part. Unless those doctors are conducting blood tests, X-rays, colonoscopies, heart monitor tests, pulmonary level tests, spinal taps, CT and PET scans, MRI's, and such, there is no way they can 'verify' anything.
I take that back. Unless they witness an appendage growing, a wound healing, or bones reconstructing, there is no way they can verify anything...and a doctor wouldn't be needed for those miracles.
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It's all good except for that bolded part. Unless those doctors are conducting blood tests, X-rays, colonoscopies, heart monitor tests, pulmonary level tests, spinal taps, CT and PET scans, MRI's, and such, there is no way they can 'verify' anything.
I take that back. Unless they witness an appendage growing, a wound healing, or bones reconstructing, there is no way they can verify anything...and a doctor wouldn't be needed for those miracles.
True, AND some verifiable medical records about the individual's previous medical condition go a long way to validating the miracle. I can walk up to any doctor that doesn't know me, have him/her listen to my heart and pronounce my heart perfectly healthy (and it is, thank God!), and then I could proceed to tell everybody around me that God just healed me of a serious heart defect. That would be a lie, but only I (and Jesus) would know that. If I was dramatic enough, I could convince a lot of folks that I had just been the recipient of a miracle. As you well know, there's more than one way to fake a healing (usually by faking a pre-existing condition).
It's all good except for that bolded part. Unless those doctors are conducting blood tests, X-rays, colonoscopies, heart monitor tests, pulmonary level tests, spinal taps, CT and PET scans, MRI's, and such, there is no way they can 'verify' anything.
I take that back. Unless they witness an appendage growing, a wound healing, or bones reconstructing, there is no way they can verify anything...and a doctor wouldn't be needed for those miracles.
Right...it all goes unverified. Testimony cards...... :gclock:gclock:gclock:gclock
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True, AND some verifiable medical records about the individual's previous medical condition go a long way to validating the miracle. I can walk up to any doctor that doesn't know me, have him/her listen to my heart and pronounce my heart perfectly healthy (and it is, thank God!), and then I could proceed to tell everybody around me that God just healed me of a serious heart defect. That would be a lie, but only I (and Jesus) would know that. If I was dramatic enough, I could convince a lot of folks that I had just been the recipient of a miracle. As you well know, there's more than one way to fake a healing (usually by faking a pre-existing condition).
I wonder what kind of doctor they are? I remember Cannonball Run, the movie. They needed a doctor for the ambulance...the best they could do was a proctologist...well never mind
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
It's all good except for that bolded part. Unless those doctors are conducting blood tests, X-rays, colonoscopies, heart monitor tests, pulmonary level tests, spinal taps, CT and PET scans, MRI's, and such, there is no way they can 'verify' anything.
I take that back. Unless they witness an appendage growing, a wound healing, or bones reconstructing, there is no way they can verify anything...and a doctor wouldn't be needed for those miracles.
Is that really being fair ?? while I am no big fan of Benny, that is sucha ridiculous requirement. when is the last time we required doctor's with Xray machines inside OUR churches to validate the miraculous power of God? we take God at his word and the Peoples'word. If they claim THEIR Healing, I think we should accept it - It's between them and God.
let's fight fair
Is that really being fair ?? while I am no big fan of Benny, that is sucha ridiculous requirement. when is the last time we required doctor's with Xray machines inside OUR churches to validate the miraculous power of God? we take God at his word and the Peoples'word. If they claim THEIR Healing, I think we should accept it - It's between them and God.
let's fight fair
EXACTLY...
I don't know ANY Apostolic Church that has an xray machine.........or if a diabetic says their healed, runs a blood test there at the altar....
Benny Hinn does the same thing we're suppose to do......tell the person to still go get the miracle verified by THEIR doctor.
And yes, some have come forward and said that they thought they were healed and a BH Crusade only to find out that they were still sick........but think of the THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS that have been healed. You can't judge him for a few that weren't. If we're going to judge in that manner, how many people have YOU prayed for that weren't healed?
Is that really being fair ?? while I am no big fan of Benny, that is sucha ridiculous requirement. when is the last time we required doctor's with Xray machines inside OUR churches to validate the miraculous power of God? we take God at his word and the Peoples'word. If they claim THEIR Healing, I think we should accept it - It's between them and God.
let's fight fair
As for me... I treat them all equally - I am skeptical of all miraculous claims whether they are postulated by the Roman Catholic Church or not.
ALWAYS, without exception in my experience, the severely deformed/crippled are bypassed for testimony and the one with the unverifiable "healed" illness is preferred. This is exactly the opposite of the scriptural pattern..., but hey, when Pavlov's dogs are hungry ya gotta feed them...
Also, there is the "speak things that are not as though they were" doctrine. So, when they claim their healing we have really no idea what it does mean...
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True, AND some verifiable medical records about the individual's previous medical condition go a long way to validating the miracle. I can walk up to any doctor that doesn't know me, have him/her listen to my heart and pronounce my heart perfectly healthy (and it is, thank God!), and then I could proceed to tell everybody around me that God just healed me of a serious heart defect. That would be a lie, but only I (and Jesus) would know that. If I was dramatic enough, I could convince a lot of folks that I had just been the recipient of a miracle. As you well know, there's more than one way to fake a healing (usually by faking a pre-existing condition).
Interesting to note that these 'doctors' have pronouned diabetics to be healed, and even cancer patients (who even later died from cancer).
There have also been reports of children being led to fake being deaf or very ill and being 'healed'. It's pathetic.
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