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Old 08-03-2007, 08:27 AM
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Is it a solo job? How many RBI? Did Big Papi hit another walk off?

you do look a little like him danny boy, dt
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Old 08-03-2007, 08:27 AM
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Elder Strange,

I think that Bishop Jakes might be advocating your concern ... how many marriages are crippled because a spouse will not "let go" ... of something in their own past, an addiction, depression, failure, insecurity, anger, bitterness, etc.
Maybe,

but I am not going to "hang up the phone," which is sharply cutting people off that are probably reaching out to me.

There are plenty of times that I feel like hanging up the phone except for the fact that I can feel a hurt and bleeding heart on the other end of the line. I can't just turn my back on the wounded. Most people are wounded in one way or the other and much of that wound comes from an unloved, "I can do without you" attitude prominently displayed by someone toward them...more likely by someone for whom they cared deeply.
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Old 08-03-2007, 08:33 AM
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Maybe,

but I am not going to "hang up the phone," which is sharply cutting people off that are probably reaching out to me.

There are plenty of times that I feel like hanging up the phone except for the fact that I can feel a hurt and bleeding heart on the other end of the line. I can't just turn my back on the wounded. Most people are wounded in one way or the other and much of that wound comes from an unloved, "I can do without you" attitude prominently displayed by someone toward them...more likely by someone for whom they cared deeply.
I too see this pervasive attitude in our society and even in the church ... I just didn't get that from the message however .... I see a lot of the talk show mentality also ... "Im just going to tell you like it is" ... people no longer measure their words or care about the consequences of their words and actions.

Yet, too many preachers are not addressing some of the roots of bitterness and hurts people are carrying into the House of the Lord ... I think TDJ ... is realizing that our emotional baggage has hindered us from really allowing God to work in us and thru us.
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Old 08-03-2007, 08:43 AM
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If I caught, it can't be easily missed, my friend.


Actually I think you simply saw it from a different perspective...
Here is the perspective that I saw it from...

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There are people who can walk away from you, and will. And hear me when I tell you this: When people can walk away from you, let them walk.

I don't want you to try to talk another person into staying with you, loving you, calling you caring about you, coming to see you, staying attached to you, being your friend. I mean: hang up the phone!!!!

When people can walk away from you let them walk.
No, I am not going to JUST LET THEM WALK, from a cavalier attitude as I see displayed here. Our churches are being wrecked by love grown cold...if there was ever any love there at all.

I'll let it be known that IF they walk, I will not hold them beyond the power of my unmitigated love. If they walk, they will walk over a loving, bleeding, dedicated heart, totally committed to them for the rest of their lives as a true love would do. Slam the door in the face of love if you please, but you will never forget the hurt that you last saw in my tearful, pleading eyes. My face of compassion will haunt you for your remainding years.

Go ahead, walk away if you are that cold and calloused, but remember, in the end, true love yet remains.

If there needs to be a healing, it is all because of too much selfishness was involved in the first place. Love heals from the beginning, though wounded from the beginning.
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Old 08-03-2007, 08:49 AM
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Elder Strange,

I believe we must do everything humanly possible to restore our relationships w/ people ... but there is a fine line between unconditional love and ENABLING.

To use a marriage as an example:

How many times do you allow a spouse to beat you? Or sleep around?

Does maintaining an "open door" policy demonstrate your Christian charity or "foolishness"?

Should we remain committed as they start a new life and family with another?
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Old 08-03-2007, 08:56 AM
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Should we remain committed as they start a new life and family with another?
No.
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Old 08-03-2007, 08:57 AM
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Here is the perspective that I saw it from...



No, I am not going to JUST LET THEM WALK, from a cavalier attitude as I see displayed here. Our churches are being wrecked by love grown cold...if there was ever any love there at all.

I'll let it be known that IF they walk, I will not hold them beyond the power of my unmitigated love. If they walk, they will walk over a loving, bleeding, dedicated heart, totally committed to them for the rest of their lives as a true love would do. Slam the door in the face of love if you please, but you will never forget the hurt that you last saw in my tearful, pleading eyes. My face of compassion will haunt you for your remainding years.

Go ahead, walk away if you are that cold and calloused, but remember, in the end, true love yet remains.

If there needs to be a healing, it is all because of too much selfishness was involved in the first place. Love heals from the beginning, though wounded from the beginning.
Again... you're missing the point...

Try walking in my shoes for awhile...

I'm done here...
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Old 08-03-2007, 08:59 AM
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I agree with Jakes.


Now that I have said that, I am left scratching my head when I see folks easlily agreeing with me and the good bishop, yet i remember not many months ago Elder Epley being beaten up pretty good when he suggested that some folk need to just let it go....

but of couse, the "it" brother Epley was talking about was harsh Apostolic Preachers who abused some of the poor souls here on AFF.

I guess the messenger is much more important than the message.

Jakes AND Brother Epley are correct. Letting go of hurt is the only way to move on with life.
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Old 08-03-2007, 09:08 AM
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There are many things that belong to the children of God but our past is not one of them! Whether successes or failures or joys or heartaches, our past has the ability to bind us... especially if we make it our dwelling place. How many lives have been ruined because of a failure to release hurt and because they became as proud of the scar as they were of the wound? How many mighty miraculous moves of God have been missed because of the one Granddaddy had 20 years ago? How oft are we content with yesterday's miracle or even tomorrow's promise to the point that we miss the blessing of today?

We must come unto him and release our burdens of both success and failure into the hands of the one who truly cares for us! He will keep in perfect peace whose mind is stayed upon him!
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Old 08-03-2007, 09:11 AM
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There are many things that belong to the children of God but our past is not one of them! Whether successes or failures or joys or heartaches, our past has the ability to bind us... especially if we make it our dwelling place. How many lives have been ruined because of a failure to release hurt and because they became as proud of the scar as they were of the wound? How many mighty miraculous moves of God have been missed because of the one Granddaddy had 20 years ago? How oft are we content with yesterday's miracle or even tomorrow's promise to the point that we miss the blessing of today?

We must come unto him and release our burdens of both success and failure into the hands of the one who truly cares for us! He will keep in perfect peace whose mind is stayed upon him!
Bring it to Jesus!!!

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