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Old 07-30-2007, 03:23 PM
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Truthfully he did make changes that, by some, seemed extreme. For instance, starting church at 9:30 instead of 10:00 so everyone in the church could be in topic specific classes and letting the youth have a youth service in the gym on wednsday nights. I know, that's extreme. It boils down to nothing more than a power struggle and family relations.

I'm curious, what did your human behavior reader say about my reaction?
I expected you to be more defensive than you were. An obvious expectation since you sided with the pastor.

I know what you mean about seemingly minor changes seeming to freak Pentecostals out. I have quite a few friends and relatives who are pastors with horror stories. Not long after assuming the pastorate of a small church one preacher friend of mine was at the church on Saturday playing with the placement of the sound speakers to try and get rid of feedback that kept happening during service when one of the older ladies in the church came in. With a concerned look on her face she asked the pastor what he was doing she shook her head and with a doubtful tone in her voice said something like "well, I don't know. The last time somebody tried to do something like that it nearly split the church!". I would not believe this kind of C_ _p except I have heard it first hand from preachers I trust implictly. Just recently one told me of the hell they went through to just move the piano and organ around on their platform after it had been one way for 30 years under the previous pastor. Talk about swallowing a gnat......
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Old 07-30-2007, 03:46 PM
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I expected you to be more defensive than you were. An obvious expectation since you sided with the pastor.

I know what you mean about seemingly minor changes seeming to freak Pentecostals out. I have quite a few friends and relatives who are pastors with horror stories. Not long after assuming the pastorate of a small church one preacher friend of mine was at the church on Saturday playing with the placement of the sound speakers to try and get rid of feedback that kept happening during service when one of the older ladies in the church came in. With a concerned look on her face she asked the pastor what he was doing she shook her head and with a doubtful tone in her voice said something like "well, I don't know. The last time somebody tried to do something like that it nearly split the church!". I would not believe this kind of C_ _p except I have heard it first hand from preachers I trust implictly. Just recently one told me of the hell they went through to just move the piano and organ around on their platform after it had been one way for 30 years under the previous pastor. Talk about swallowing a gnat......
There is no reason to be on the defense. I feel better than I have on over 2 months. I lost nearly 20 lbs during this process. Since last friday when I started becoming clear that we were going to leave I have gained 5 lbs back ans sleep pretty good now. I know the troublemakers are still going to make trouble but I dont have to see them at church.
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Old 07-30-2007, 04:19 PM
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I expected you to be more defensive than you were. An obvious expectation since you sided with the pastor.

I know what you mean about seemingly minor changes seeming to freak Pentecostals out. I have quite a few friends and relatives who are pastors with horror stories. Not long after assuming the pastorate of a small church one preacher friend of mine was at the church on Saturday playing with the placement of the sound speakers to try and get rid of feedback that kept happening during service when one of the older ladies in the church came in. With a concerned look on her face she asked the pastor what he was doing she shook her head and with a doubtful tone in her voice said something like "well, I don't know. The last time somebody tried to do something like that it nearly split the church!". I would not believe this kind of C_ _p except I have heard it first hand from preachers I trust implictly. Just recently one told me of the hell they went through to just move the piano and organ around on their platform after it had been one way for 30 years under the previous pastor. Talk about swallowing a gnat......

I am from DS's church and one of his best friends. I am trying to stay out of this discussion as our decision (very painfully) has been made and I am ready to also move on after leaving my home church of 27 years. My two year old daughter would have been the 5th generation Pentecostal in that church and her great-great grandparents were the pioneers pastors of that church. Her great- grandparents, great uncles and aunts, as well as my former pastor from birth will remain there.

After the "hell" we have been through the last three months there was no way we could stay. It is very possible that our pastor would have won the vote and the possibility of him winning and having to clean up the mess scared us to death. Also the fact that there has been anywhere from 50 -75 people get the Holy Ghost in our church in the last year and 30 new converts since January and these people would have been put through the trauma of being challenged as to their eligibility to vote. They have already been through the trauma of seeing their pastor and anyone who stood with him ripped to shreds. It was not worth people losing their souls to keep a building.

We need healing and there is no way that it can happen in that church. He decided to resign and the peace that has come with that decision is wonderful. With or without him as pastor of our new fellowship all these folks would have left anyway. As much as I love my pastor it was not about following him as much as just getting away from all the mess. I did however support him through all of this and still do.

His vision for reaching the lost and being almost fearless in his passion for reaching them is very scary to some Pentecostals and the changes he made worried the wrong people. They decided to take action and in the end they got what they wanted. I just hope they are happy and will leave us alone in our new church.

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Old 07-30-2007, 04:30 PM
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Good luck deltafolks!

It sounds like your church has been a revivial church the past year and I pray that this continues even more so with the new beginning.

If the majority of folks left with the pastor it sounds like you have the financial basis to start a new church in pretty good shape. I don't think real estate is too expensive in your part of the country so that helps also.

Was the main point of contention standards or other things? Not trying to get you to air dirty laundry here but with so many new converts I have a suspicion that could be it.
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Good luck deltafolks!

It sounds like your church has been a revivial church the past year and I pray that this continues even more so with the new beginning.

If the majority of folks left with the pastor it sounds like you have the financial basis to start a new church in pretty good shape. I don't think real estate is too expensive in your part of the country so that helps also.

Was the main point of contention standards or other things? Not trying to get you to air dirty laundry here but with so many new converts I have a suspicion that could be it.
Standards are the cornerstone of any sucessful split wether they are an issue are not. They are a hot button issue that just the appearence of dropping a standard is enough to send the old guard into a tizzy
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Good luck deltafolks!

It sounds like your church has been a revivial church the past year and I pray that this continues even more so with the new beginning.

If the majority of folks left with the pastor it sounds like you have the financial basis to start a new church in pretty good shape. I don't think real estate is too expensive in your part of the country so that helps also.

Was the main point of contention standards or other things? Not trying to get you to air dirty laundry here but with so many new converts I have a suspicion that could be it.
That was some of it. That was basically how they got the ball rolling. By the time it was over they were telling folks he was brainwashing people and putting demons into anyone he prayed for, saying that adultery was ok, attacking the former pastor who was his father in law, saying the district was trying to get rid of him (which they had to write a retraction about), saying that the former pastor wasn't being taken care of (this has already been discussed here), and the biggest kicker of all was that he wouldn't say a woman would go to hell for cutting her hair. They even wrote a letter about something he did 16 years ago at the age of 24 which is so hilarious that I fell out laughing.

The only question I have is if this man was so bad, why was he the A. P. for so many years and voted in with a 98 - 2 vote. I think we all know.



This is the last I will talk about this issue on this forum. I am through. I just want to forget that I was ever a part of that church.
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I've heard about your church's situation. It sounds to me like you two guys (and the others that left with you) did the right thing. Word has gotten around about your excellent Youth Department also. Keep the faith and I'm sure by the end of the week, you may have a permanent or semi-permanent church home!
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I've heard about your church's situation. It sounds to me like you two guys (and the others that left with you) did the right thing. Word has gotten around about your excellent Youth Department also. Keep the faith and I'm sure by the end of the week, you may have a permanent or semi-permanent church home!
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CC1 and the Delta Boys,

This discussion and the other points to a larger problem the fellowship is having. It has been interesting indeed ...

I think the Delta Boys have done some damage assessment prior to talking about some these things and I think they feel free enough now to talk about some of these issues ... I say carry on.
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CC1 and the Delta Boys,

This discussion and the other points to a larger problem the fellowship is having. It has been interesting indeed ...

I think the Delta Boys have done some damage assessment prior to talking about some these things and I think they feel free enough now to talk about some of these issues ... I say carry on.
Thanks for the permission slip, when sequironejesus or however you spell it gets mad at me I will say I got a glowing approval from Dan the Man.
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