Too Much Wine for the Old Wimmin???

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

I love today's scripture from Titus 2:3,

The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

My question is, how much wine is too much wine for the the aged ladies?

Is 51 considered aged?

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Is 51 considered aged?

of course not but if you can find someone to say yes, you have biblical admonishion to go buy a bottle of wine.


does this scripture mean you should not drink very much or does it mean you should drink a little?

[Sam]

In my opinion, the drinking of alcohol is not prohibited in the Bible but drunkenness is considered sin. The key would be moderation.

We should know "our limit" and not exceed it.

There have always been "old drunks" but I have heard that alcoholism is a growing problem among the elderly.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Ferd

of course not but if you can find someone to say yes, you have biblical admonishion to go buy a bottle of wine.

does this scripture mean you should not drink very much or does it mean you should drink a little?

Good answer!

[Falla39]

To be quite honest, I do not think it has one thing to do with

literal wine. Could it be that so much has been weighed as to

what was spiritual, by how much a person/persons, male or

female, younger or older, juke and jive. And get "drunk" on the

Spirit (new wine)! Someone had better stay sober and try the

spirits, to see if they be of God. The aged men are told to be

sober. and the aged women are told to teach the young women

to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, among

other things. And the young men are exhorted to be sober-minded.

My late pastor father told of a young, popular man in the church

that was founded after he and my grandmother received the Holy

Ghost. He said the man would shout and dance and make a lot of

noise and many thought him to be so spiritual. But he said you had

better not trust him with your daughter, after church in the dark.

We are living in a day when someone had better stay sober and

watch. When people close their eyes and shout and dance, they

can perhaps "get in the spirit" and be in another world, but we live

in a real world and it is not always pretty. There is the reality of

what is real and what is not!! That is why there is a real need for

true spiritual discernment. I am not in any way speaking against a

real move of God. But every shout and every loud noise, whether it

be music or shouting or other, is not GOD!!(Aaron & the golden calf)

I believe what is being spoken in Titus is speaking of the older men

or women, not being totally caught up in emotion and becoming

drunk in a way where they cannot discern properly. Go to a place

of night entertainment. Old and young alike sway and dance and

live in a "make believe" world for a period of time. They drink and

feel good momentarily but in the morning when they wake up, do

they have a reason to feel good or are they ashamed. We are told

to watch and be sober. Some have become so drunk they have taken

their clothes off. Elderly people many times are put on so much medi-

cation and if not watched, will take their clothes off.

We must watch and be sober and not become drunken in the night,

and be awakened at midnight to find the bridegroom has come and

no oil in our lamps. Let us be ready lest in the midnight Jesus comes

for us, and when we this old outward man is pulled from us, the new

man inside will be clothed (righteousness) and we, not be found "naked".

Also, how do we come into this world. One (unless twins or otherwise)

at a time. Will we leave the same way? One at a time? Are we taken,

like the two grinding at the mill, or the two in a bed, one taken and one

left. I know many, many people that were taken and the other left.

Isaiah 27:12 "........and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children

of Israel.

Blessings,

Falla39

Sister,

As always, you have made a very spiritually discerning post. It shows your many years of training and the wisdom that goes with it.

I concur wholeheartedly with both the words and the spirit behind them.

You said:

I am not in any way speaking against a

real move of God. But every shout and every loud noise, whether it

be music or shouting or other, is not GOD!!(Aaron & the golden calf)

I hope that you remember how badly I got beaten up here because of a similar remark. Some folk have a way of getting very defensive.

Originally Posted by COOPER

That "depends"{get it}... are we talking about Sis.String-bean oil or Sis.Heavier?

Yes.

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Sam

In my opinion, the drinking of alcohol is not prohibited in the Bible but drunkenness is considered sin. The key would be moderation.

One beer would be ok as long as it does not make you drunk? That would be considered moderation, right?

We should know "our limit" and not exceed it.

Otis, remember him on Mayberry RFD (remember him) thought that anything more than a gallon of white lightening was excess.

There have always been "old drunks" but I have heard that alcoholism is a growing problem among the elderly.

So I've heard too.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Sister,

As always, you have made a very spiritually discerning post. It shows your many years of training and the wisdom that goes with it.

I concur wholeheartedly with both the words and the spirit behind them.

You said:


I hope that you remember how badly I got beaten up here because of a similar remark. Some folk have a way of getting very defensive.

Bro. Strange,

Truth is truth, regardless! And TRUTH will set us free!!

Jesus would tell the disciples that there were many other

things He could say to them, but they couldn't bear it. They

were not able to because they were not ready. Paul said

something very similiar.

I can remember my late pastor dad saying things I could not

fully understand. But as I grew older I did understand that if

I would just wait around I would see the wisdom in it later.

My paternal grandmother could be firm if she discerned we

young children were acting silly or making fun of something

serious that had been said. I thought at fourteen she and dad

were old foggies about some things. As I grew still older and

had my own children I was amazed at how much like Grandma

I was getting to be! LOL!

As a young wife, mother and adult, I highly respected Grand-

mother, Dad and Mom, great-Aunt Lucy, Grandmother's older

sister and her daughter, Florence. They all were such wonder-

ful influences in my childish years and in my later years also.

Paul speaks of his years as a child, and the difference, when he

became a man (mature, not perfect). He put away childish things,

words, thoughts and actions.

It is easy to discern the difference in a mature adult and a child.

How!! By the way they talk and by the words they say and by the

things they do and don't do!!! Also a child wants HIS way, but if a

Christian man/woman is mature, they will desire GOD's Will. GOD's

Way is ALWAYS best!!!

Blessings,

Falla39

[RandyWayne]

Someone had better stay sober and try the
spirits, to see if they be of God. The aged men are told to be
sober. and the aged women are told to teach the young women
to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, among
other things. And the young men are exhorted to be sober-minded.
My late pastor father told of a young, popular man in the church
that was founded after he and my grandmother received the Holy
Ghost. He said the man would shout and dance and make a lot of
noise and many thought him to be so spiritual. But he said you had
better not trust him with your daughter, after church in the dark.
We are living in a day when someone had better stay sober and
watch. When people close their eyes and shout and dance, they
can perhaps "get in the spirit" and be in another world, but we live
in a real world and it is not always pretty. There is the reality of
what is real and what is not!! That is why there is a real need for
true spiritual discernment. I am not in any way speaking against a
real move of God. But every shout and every loud noise, whether it
be music or shouting or other, is not GOD!!(Aaron & the golden calf)

Amen!!

On the issue of wine and consumption in general I've always been on the side that there is simply no "ban" on drinking other then to excess and alcohol laced beverages were a simply fact of life. Navies ran there whole fleets on beer until a hundred plus years ago. It was the only way to KEEP things from spoiling. (Even water went bad....)

But the point YOU bring up is very profound. Do not give youself into emotion! Every church needs one or more "designated drivers" who can test the spirit in an intellectual fashion and not give in to an emotional trance state. This hits home for me because I seem to be very resistant to emotionally charged speakers and crowds. Sometimes I can feel the spirit and other times I see a whole room or building filled with screaming, shouting people and see nothing but the psychology of "mob rule" at work.