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Old 07-10-2007, 02:26 PM
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(John 1:18) No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.


Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Act 9:20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.

2Co 1:19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timothy, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:

Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.


You're right the bible never calls Jesus the Son of God... sheesh

When Jesus states if you have seen me you have seen the Father... Is he stating that they are actually seeing the Father?

I don't think so

hath seen the Father; the perfections which are in him also; for the same that are in me are in him, and the same that are in him are in me: I am the very image of him, and am possessed of the same nature, attributes, and glory, that he is; so that he that sees the one, sees the other:
John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

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Joh 14:8-12 -
The substance of this passage is that the Son is the ordained and perfect manifestation of the Father, that His own word for this ought to His disciples to be enough; that if any doubts remained His works ought to remove them (see on Joh_10:37); but yet that these works of His were designed merely to aid weak faith, and would be repeated, nay exceeded, by His disciples, in virtue of the power He would confer on them after His departure. His miracles the apostles wrought, though wholly in His name and by His power, and the “greater” works - not in degree but in kind - were the conversion of thousands in a day, by His Spirit accompanying them.
A Commentary on the Old and New Testaments by Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset and David Brown



In other words if you have seen Jesus, you have seen the actions attributes and power of the Father.... this in no way cancels out ALL the other verses that note the distinctions
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Old 07-10-2007, 02:32 PM
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(John 1:18) No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.


Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Act 9:20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.

2Co 1:19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timothy, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:

Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.


You're right the bible never calls Jesus the Son of God... sheesh

When Jesus states if you have seen me you have seen the Father... Is he stating that they are actually seeing the Father?

I don't think so

hath seen the Father; the perfections which are in him also; for the same that are in me are in him, and the same that are in him are in me: I am the very image of him, and am possessed of the same nature, attributes, and glory, that he is; so that he that sees the one, sees the other:
John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

Dr. John Gill (1690-1771)


Joh 14:8-12 -
The substance of this passage is that the Son is the ordained and perfect manifestation of the Father, that His own word for this ought to His disciples to be enough; that if any doubts remained His works ought to remove them (see on Joh_10:37); but yet that these works of His were designed merely to aid weak faith, and would be repeated, nay exceeded, by His disciples, in virtue of the power He would confer on them after His departure. His miracles the apostles wrought, though wholly in His name and by His power, and the “greater” works - not in degree but in kind - were the conversion of thousands in a day, by His Spirit accompanying them.
A Commentary on the Old and New Testaments by Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset and David Brown



In other words if you have seen Jesus, you have seen the actions attributes and power of the Father.... this in no way cancels out ALL the other verses that note the distinctions
NOPE the SON is the IMAGE of the invisible God. Jesus is the Son of God we make no apologies however he is NOT God the Son. ONLY the Father is God and He dwells in His FULNESS in the SON BODILY.

He was the visible equation of the invisible God........God manifest in the Flesh NOT the SON of God manifested in the Flesh.
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Old 07-10-2007, 02:34 PM
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NOPE the SON is the IMAGE of the invisible God. Jesus is the Son of God we make no apologies however he is NOT God the Son. ONLY the Father is God and He dwells in His FULNESS in the SON BODILY.

He was the visible equation of the invisible God........God manifest in the Flesh NOT the SON of God manifested in the Flesh.
Watch it Elder, im gonna cut loose and shout right here at work!


oh and AMEN! What Brother Epley said!
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(John 1:18) No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.


Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Act 9:20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.

2Co 1:19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timothy, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:

Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.


You're right the bible never calls Jesus the Son of God... sheesh

When Jesus states if you have seen me you have seen the Father... Is he stating that they are actually seeing the Father?

I don't think so

hath seen the Father; the perfections which are in him also; for the same that are in me are in him, and the same that are in him are in me: I am the very image of him, and am possessed of the same nature, attributes, and glory, that he is; so that he that sees the one, sees the other:
John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

Dr. John Gill (1690-1771)


Joh 14:8-12 -
The substance of this passage is that the Son is the ordained and perfect manifestation of the Father, that His own word for this ought to His disciples to be enough; that if any doubts remained His works ought to remove them (see on Joh_10:37); but yet that these works of His were designed merely to aid weak faith, and would be repeated, nay exceeded, by His disciples, in virtue of the power He would confer on them after His departure. His miracles the apostles wrought, though wholly in His name and by His power, and the “greater” works - not in degree but in kind - were the conversion of thousands in a day, by His Spirit accompanying them.
A Commentary on the Old and New Testaments by Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset and David Brown



In other words if you have seen Jesus, you have seen the actions attributes and power of the Father.... this in no way cancels out ALL the other verses that note the distinctions

sans your personal input, I love all that scripture! what powerful witnesses to the might Might God in Christ!
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Jesus the ALL of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God-Creator-Father-Son-Holy Ghost-Redeemer-Saviour-Baptizer-Sanctifier-Eternal Sacrifice-High Priest-Coming King. And 1001 other glorious titles for the Great God and Our Saviour and His Name is Jesus the Name ABOVE every NAME. And I went down in that name and had my sins washed away through his blood by the power of the spoken Name under His Divine authority.
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Jesus the ALL of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God-Creator-Father-Son-Holy Ghost-Redeemer-Saviour-Baptizer-Sanctifier-Eternal Sacrifice-High Priest-Coming King. And 1001 other glorious titles for the Great God and Our Saviour and His Name is Jesus the Name ABOVE every NAME. And I went down in that name and had my sins washed away through his blood by the power of the spoken Name under His Divine authority.
I was blessed to baptize a fellow in that name this past Sunday!
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I was blessed to baptize a fellow in that name this past Sunday!
The man had his sins remitted in Jesus Name. Wonderful.

Choir is singing "One Way to God."
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The man had his sins remitted in Jesus Name. Wonderful.

Choir is singing "One Way to God."
yup and that is what i told him when I baptized him!
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yup and that is what i told him when I baptized him!
You mean to tell me that YOU believe when you take a penitent person to the water and baptize him ORALLY pronouncing the Name of Jesus OVER him you think his sins are remitted by the Blood of Christ?

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